Good news and bad news on Alcantara

[Jsrollie]

Worth the risk depending on what we have to give up. They raped Mozo last time don't want that to happen again for potentially damaged goods like Ozuna was and a head case. Hell...Alcontra is worth it as he actually has good stuff vs. Mikolas who soft tosses batting practice out there...do they really think Mikolas has anything left in his last year of the 2 year $20M per extension? We should just DFA Mikolas...he's done. Give Sandy a chance and bring up McGreevy....Fedde should be dealt as well.

[rockondlouie]

Sandy A. Last 10 GS (fair sample size that encompasses both his good and bad stretch)

6.22 ERA
3.81 FiP
1.36 WHiP

4 good starts
6 bad starts


Last 4 GS

6.65 ERA
4.09 FiP
1.30 WHiP

2 good starts
2 bad starts

[Jobu's Rum]

Sandy ain't that guy no more, think I agree with Crav. on this one. Really not seeing the fascination. E. Cab I might target. I would throw out Crooks and Noot to start.

[smilinjoefission]

Only way I take Alcantara back is if a DeLorean pulls up and sends us back to undo the Ozuna trade. He's done. Even if you assume our D will save him runs it won't save 4 per game to make a trade worth it. And to the people saying "trade Burley, trade Crooks"...the actual [fork]??? We have a black hole at catcher position; no defense, no offense. You don't trade who should be the starting catcher right now for a washed out pitcher who you never should have traded in the first place.

[Melville]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

Correct.
The organization has been investing in sustained mediocrity (Molina, Wainwright, Mikolas, etc. for several years.
Time to bet on true upside.

[Futuregm2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

Correct.
The organization has been investing in sustained mediocrity (Molina, Wainwright, Mikolas, etc. for several years.
Time to bet on true upside.

Yea, nothing screams sustained mediocrity like a 200 win pitcher or a 9 time Gold glove catcher. But that unikkkkorn with a career 102 OPS+ and 3.5 bWAR in 1,389 PAs is the perfect player to build around.

[Cardinals4Life]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

I don’t know that it’s all “nostalgia”, sure it’s a name in our past, but when he was healthy before he was a very good 3-4+ WAR level pitcher. Pitchers coming off TJ surgery usually have rust, but he was significantly better in June, at least overall. IF you believe he can get back to ace level (which is why you’d trade for him), he’s still only 29 years old and could factor into the team for not only the short term, but long term, too.

Agree with all of this. If you think he can get back to being an ace, then you do it. He could lead the rotation for years!

[Cardinals4Life]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

I don’t know that it’s all “nostalgia”, sure it’s a name in our past, but when he was healthy before he was a very good 3-4+ WAR level pitcher. Pitchers coming off TJ surgery usually have rust, but he was significantly better in June, at least overall. IF you believe he can get back to ace level (which is why you’d trade for him), he’s still only 29 years old and could factor into the team for not only the short term, but long term, too.

which names from our current Top 5 are you willing to part with for Alcantara?

And btw, I have no doubt he can get back/close to his Cy Young form.

I'm just against anything that ravages a farm system that currently is trying to prosper and grow.

Duce,

I hear ya on maintaining/building a strong farm. But if you believe he can regain his Cy Young form (which you do), then you have to part with a prospect to get him. CYA's don't just fall off trees. Yes, the farm is to help produce players, but also using some of them as currency from time to time can also help produce players. This team has lacked a true front of the rotation ace since Waino in his younger days!