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Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 07:14 am To be clear, I am specifically talking about a pitch that would be a strike w/o the framing. The catchers should stick these pitches to show the ump that it is a strike. When they take a pitch that is already a strike and try to frame it to the middle of the plate, I think it makes the umpires believe they may be getting deceived, and thus, sometimes they don't call a strike.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:12 am If I see one more catcher lifting a pitch that's 12 inches off the ground up a foot w/their glove I'm going to throw something at the TV!

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 22:38 pm The best umpires have already made up their minds before the catcher moves the glove. The only way to make the umpire question the call is to catch the ball in such a way that the glove is over the corner even as the catch is made off the plate, i.e., watch Molina frame a pitch using the glove not the motion.

JDW wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 06:47 am

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 22:38 pm The best umpires have already made up their minds before the catcher moves the glove. The only way to make the umpire question the call is to catch the ball in such a way that the glove is over the corner even as the catch is made off the plate, i.e., watch Molina frame a pitch using the glove not the motion.

Some lower level umps make up their mind too early, sometimes anticipating where the ball ends up and get fooled with late movement, but the MLB ones have mostly learned/been taught to wait longer. Ideally you want them to react to where the ball ends up, and leave any thinking out of it, but you often see late calls where they're flipping coins inside their head. They're human, and can also get emotional once in a while influencing their calls.
That's why as a C you're part psychologist, trying to play buddy buddy with them to a degree, lol.
As long as the electronic system has the flaws mostly worked out, I'm all for it, although we do lose another part of the game as the manager umpire angst moments of days gone by could be classic entertainment ................. think Zimmer.

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 10:46 am

JDW wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 06:47 am

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 22:38 pm The best umpires have already made up their minds before the catcher moves the glove. The only way to make the umpire question the call is to catch the ball in such a way that the glove is over the corner even as the catch is made off the plate, i.e., watch Molina frame a pitch using the glove not the motion.

Some lower level umps make up their mind too early, sometimes anticipating where the ball ends up and get fooled with late movement, but the MLB ones have mostly learned/been taught to wait longer. Ideally you want them to react to where the ball ends up, and leave any thinking out of it, but you often see late calls where they're flipping coins inside their head. They're human, and can also get emotional once in a while influencing their calls.
That's why as a C you're part psychologist, trying to play buddy buddy with them to a degree, lol.
As long as the electronic system has the flaws mostly worked out, I'm all for it, although we do lose another part of the game as the manager umpire angst moments of days gone by could be classic entertainment ................. think Zimmer.

I am not talking about calling the pitch early, just calling the pitch as it enters the strike zone which is before the catcher receives the ball or moves the glove.