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In that situation, all 3 of them should have been looking FB on every pitch and then attempt to adjust to breaking pitches.
The FB is obviously the easiest pitch to put in play and that is all they should have been thinking.
They took several of them while trying to "guess" other offerings - and every take was a lost opportunity.
Three very low baseball IQ PA's there.

effort: a vigorous or determined attempt.

Did not occur in Milwaukee, on this date, and in this universe.

I guess it could be effort by Walker, Scott, and Winn in another universe.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:26 pm In two at bats I saw today, JW was guessing on strike 3. They had such a good two-strike approach when they were hot. Now many of them have abandoned it. With two strikes shorten up and guard the plate. Geez you learned that in Little League. At least Nado just kept fouling them off until he got a pitch he could handle. Pretty pathetic at bats

Exactly. Having patience with young players is absolutely necessary. However, someone in that dugout needs to be their ear about guessing with 2 strikes. Shorten up and put the ball in play. At this point, that’s on Brant Brown and Marmol.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:36 pm Part of it is coaching and managing. I think Brown has done a fine job, but they are straying from their successful approach. Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K. They are going to have a strong two strike approach. There is a time to slug and a time to hit AND a time to guard the dish. The manager needs to stress this approach. I have been wanting Marmol gone since he blew the playoff series. It never happens. This team needs a much stronger manager. Yes, I know he wasn't swinging the bat, but managers do matter and we don't have a good one. Yes, they had a hot streak, but he is incapable of getting the most out of this limited roster. The Brewers are not that good. Rant over, but many of us are sick of Marmol and have been wanting him gone a long time.

LoL. That's some dumb[ash] [shirt] right there...

LMAO..."Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K."

The players are responsible (bleep)

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:43 pm

bccardsfan wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:26 pm In two at bats I saw today, JW was guessing on strike 3. They had such a good two-strike approach when they were hot. Now many of them have abandoned it. With two strikes shorten up and guard the plate. Geez you learned that in Little League. At least Nado just kept fouling them off until he got a pitch he could handle. Pretty pathetic at bats

Exactly. Having patience with young players is absolutely necessary. However, someone in that dugout needs to be their ear about guessing with 2 strikes. Shorten up and put the ball in play. At this point, that’s on Brant Brown and Marmol.

Those PA's were indeed evidence of extremely poor coaching.

That's our future RF, CF, and SS for the next 4-10 years though

Melville wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:46 pm

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:43 pm

bccardsfan wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:26 pm In two at bats I saw today, JW was guessing on strike 3. They had such a good two-strike approach when they were hot. Now many of them have abandoned it. With two strikes shorten up and guard the plate. Geez you learned that in Little League. At least Nado just kept fouling them off until he got a pitch he could handle. Pretty pathetic at bats

Exactly. Having patience with young players is absolutely necessary. However, someone in that dugout needs to be their ear about guessing with 2 strikes. Shorten up and put the ball in play. At this point, that’s on Brant Brown and Marmol.

Those PA's were indeed evidence of extremely poor coaching.

Does a player really need to be coached to swing at a fastball right down the middle?

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:38 pm Biggest difference i noticed was effort. Brewers hitters hustled down the line to beat a couple balls out and make a few other plays close. We have too many guys that jog down the line and are content to concede an out.

Winn in particular provided an egregious example.
And it has become far too common with him.

45s wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:49 pm

Melville wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:46 pm

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:43 pm

bccardsfan wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:26 pm In two at bats I saw today, JW was guessing on strike 3. They had such a good two-strike approach when they were hot. Now many of them have abandoned it. With two strikes shorten up and guard the plate. Geez you learned that in Little League. At least Nado just kept fouling them off until he got a pitch he could handle. Pretty pathetic at bats

Exactly. Having patience with young players is absolutely necessary. However, someone in that dugout needs to be their ear about guessing with 2 strikes. Shorten up and put the ball in play. At this point, that’s on Brant Brown and Marmol.

Those PA's were indeed evidence of extremely poor coaching.

Does a player really need to be coached to swing at a fastball right down the middle?

Apparently, yes.
Since none of the 3 were looking FB.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:52 pm You can’t look breaking ball, you have to adjust breaking ball. Especially against a guy who throws 100.

Most of us learned that by the time we reached high school.
Amazing some of the STL hitters have not.
That's on the staff as much as it is on them.

They need to be coached to sit fastball and adjust off-speed versus looking off-speed.

You can not look off-speed and adjust to 100 MPH heat.

Waino was do ineffective the last few seasons because they could sit on his curveball and adjust to his very slow fastball

Not going to pile on any more.
Three young players and this will be part of the “process” for them as the season plays on:
Walker- He got caught “guessing”. Obviously wasn’t looking fastball there especially down the middle. And Walker is part of the vast majority that “guesses” instead of “guarding the plate” with two strikes! Hopefully he’ll learn.
Scott- Scuffling the last month but better by far the last week. Got beat by a high hard one from a good pitcher. Man with his speed and bunting skills I was hoping he’d just push one somewhere and run like hell. But that is clearly not part of the Cards strategy ever.
Winn- 2nd AB after not starting. Not trying to make excuses. He’s still young but he is WAY better than those two feeble swings!

Hey....move on.
We wanted to see the young guys and now we have to live with their growth.
And no...I would NOT have hit Noot for Walker!
Walker needs the experience and Noot has stunk it up for weeks!

Begs to question if Walker, Winn and Scott may be overrated as MLB hitters, right now.

knttiger wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 16:53 pm I realize he’s struggled mightily, but why not save Noot to bat for Walker or Scott and use anyone else to pinch run. Nm, Marmols in charge and he doesn’t have an talent to use

Moot is one of the most passive hitters in MLB.
There is no scenario under which I would have allowed him to PH in that spot.
But he is a far better question.
Why not PH Pozo for Walker or Scott?
He has struck out just 3 times in 65 PA's this season.
That is the call a gutsy, smart, creative manager would have made.
However, as we know, The Marmot is none of those things.

Players should be coached to do this..to do that…

Why are you assuming they are not?

The very likely they are just krapp players that no amount of coaching is going to help…

It’s ok to accept that…..you’re still a good person..

Shady wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 17:59 pm Begs to question if Walker, Winn and Scott may be overrated as MLB hitters.

Winn has emerged as one of the best young SS in the game in just his second full season.
Walker is at the point where he needs to play and develop consistency.
Scott in just his first full season is just getting started.