I'll bow to superior knowledge.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
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Re: Will cardinals draft any power bats?
+1 guys with power are often high swing and miss guys. Greater chance of them failing than contact, line drive, high average good eye OBP guys. Wetherholt is good example. He is not a power guy and is more likely to succeed.
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I bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
Re: Will cardinals draft any power bats?
he very well could...his bat to ball skills are incredible. For now, he's capped at 15 HR's in my opinion. I love how he goes everywhere with his contact...Oppo, Up the middle, Pull side. He's a joy to watchimadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
maybe if he commits pullside more, he'll crush that many HR ...but that's not his makeup ...for now
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Spring training we saw him belt one out to LCF. Looked like a Soto-like oppo field swing.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:44 pmhe very well could...his bat to ball skills are incredible. For now, he's capped at 15 HR's in my opinion. I love how he goes everywhere with his contact...Oppo, Up the middle, Pull side. He's a joy to watchimadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
maybe if he commits pullside more, he'll crush that many HR ...but that's not his makeup ...for now
Re: Will cardinals draft any power bats?
that was a massive shot. He's so talented. I don't think he's at his ceiling yet. But I think he's Donovan type hitter at the moment...even better than him, if I'm being honest about it. I think you're looking at batting champion...eventually.imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:54 pmSpring training we saw him belt one out to LCF. Looked like a Soto-like oppo field swing.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:44 pmhe very well could...his bat to ball skills are incredible. For now, he's capped at 15 HR's in my opinion. I love how he goes everywhere with his contact...Oppo, Up the middle, Pull side. He's a joy to watchimadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
maybe if he commits pullside more, he'll crush that many HR ...but that's not his makeup ...for now
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Yeah it was a fast swing. Can generate more power than Donovan for sure. Donovan is on pace for about 11 or 12 homers. Can you imagine a 3 hole hitter with 11 or 12 homers well that's the Cardinals. I did think Donovan was going to crank it up with a 20+ homer season but it is nice to see him on pace for well over 40 doubles.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:59 pmthat was a massive shot. He's so talented. I don't think he's at his ceiling yet. But I think he's Donovan type hitter at the moment...even better than him, if I'm being honest about it. I think you're looking at batting champion...eventually.imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:54 pmSpring training we saw him belt one out to LCF. Looked like a Soto-like oppo field swing.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:44 pmhe very well could...his bat to ball skills are incredible. For now, he's capped at 15 HR's in my opinion. I love how he goes everywhere with his contact...Oppo, Up the middle, Pull side. He's a joy to watchimadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
maybe if he commits pullside more, he'll crush that many HR ...but that's not his makeup ...for now
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Re: Will cardinals draft any power bats?
Let's scrap the dead pull focus. It's screwed up too many of our hitters. 15 hrs, high average, and lots of doubles works just fine.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:44 pmhe very well could...his bat to ball skills are incredible. For now, he's capped at 15 HR's in my opinion. I love how he goes everywhere with his contact...Oppo, Up the middle, Pull side. He's a joy to watchimadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
maybe if he commits pullside more, he'll crush that many HR ...but that's not his makeup ...for now
Re: Will cardinals draft any power bats?
I don't see that happening. Hope you're right.imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
Re: Will cardinals draft any power bats?
He has a ways to go to be as good as Donovan. Hope is does get that good as a MLB hitter.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:59 pmthat was a massive shot. He's so talented. I don't think he's at his ceiling yet. But I think he's Donovan type hitter at the moment...even better than him, if I'm being honest about it. I think you're looking at batting champion...eventually.imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:54 pmSpring training we saw him belt one out to LCF. Looked like a Soto-like oppo field swing.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:44 pmhe very well could...his bat to ball skills are incredible. For now, he's capped at 15 HR's in my opinion. I love how he goes everywhere with his contact...Oppo, Up the middle, Pull side. He's a joy to watchimadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:41 pmI bet Wetherholt hits 27-32 homers in at least one or two seasons.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:04 pm55 is above average...50 is average. 15-20 isn't a power bat. I don't see him getting 20-25 HR playing 81 games at Busch Stadium a year.Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 19:00 pmMLB.com has him projected to hit 20-25 home runs at the MLB level. They say he has above average power.craviduce wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 18:47 pmhe's not a power hitter, Cranny.
55/80 power with an aluminum bat. And his competition this season has gone down with Oregon State losing their Pac12 Conference status.
He's had a good career, but not a power hitter.
for comparison....Holliday has 65/80 power ...he's your lone power hitter in the Top 15 or so.
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I wouldn't mind if he's picked by the Cards, but he's not a power hitter...he'll likely hit HR's to some degree...15-20 once he gets to the Majors
I'm not going to argue with you...he's a line drive hitter. And that's great....but he's not a Power hitter.....20-30 players hit more HR in College than he did this season
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You like him, and that's great....he's had a great career...he's going to have a good career. He'll hit more HR's than Wetherholt, but I only have JJ with 15 HR power personally...that's his ceiling
maybe if he commits pullside more, he'll crush that many HR ...but that's not his makeup ...for now
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The ballpark is terrible for fringe power hitters.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 15:55 pm We have a terrible ballpark for home runs. It's going to be hard to develop consistent power hitters here.
For true mashers, the ballpark doesn't or shouldn't matter. Do you think Aaron Judge wouldn't mash in Busch?
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Why is our park a bad hitters park. Plenty of heat and buoyancy. Is it the distance to the fences?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:07 amThe ballpark is terrible for fringe power hitters.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 15:55 pm We have a terrible ballpark for home runs. It's going to be hard to develop consistent power hitters here.
For true mashers, the ballpark doesn't or shouldn't matter. Do you think Aaron Judge wouldn't mash in Busch?
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Busch Stadium's outfield fences are significantly deeper than the league average.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:12 amWhy is our park a bad hitters park. Plenty of heat and buoyancy. Is it the distance to the fences?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:07 amThe ballpark is terrible for fringe power hitters.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 15:55 pm We have a terrible ballpark for home runs. It's going to be hard to develop consistent power hitters here.
For true mashers, the ballpark doesn't or shouldn't matter. Do you think Aaron Judge wouldn't mash in Busch?
The fair territory is expansive, meaning that balls that would otherwise be easily hit over the fence can still be caught, making it harder for hitters to get extra-base hits.
While Busch Stadium is not particularly stingy with total hits, it does suppress extra-base hits, particularly doubles and triples. This, combined with the deep outfield, makes it a more difficult park for hitters to get home runs and other extra-base hits.
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In today’s world of analytical data, and it’s ease of availability, seems hitters and their agents know this as well, might that stop some from coming here.Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:23 amBusch Stadium's outfield fences are significantly deeper than the league average.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:12 amWhy is our park a bad hitters park. Plenty of heat and buoyancy. Is it the distance to the fences?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:07 amThe ballpark is terrible for fringe power hitters.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 15:55 pm We have a terrible ballpark for home runs. It's going to be hard to develop consistent power hitters here.
For true mashers, the ballpark doesn't or shouldn't matter. Do you think Aaron Judge wouldn't mash in Busch?
The fair territory is expansive, meaning that balls that would otherwise be easily hit over the fence can still be caught, making it harder for hitters to get extra-base hits.
While Busch Stadium is not particularly stingy with total hits, it does suppress extra-base hits, particularly doubles and triples. This, combined with the deep outfield, makes it a more difficult park for hitters to get home runs and other extra-base hits.
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the ball never carries to the gaps. That's why you see Arenado fly out SO MANY times to the warning track in left center. That was his bread and butter in Colorado. I can't even recall how many times i've seen arenado hit one to left center and eye it like it's gone, and it's caught on the track.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:12 amWhy is our park a bad hitters park. Plenty of heat and buoyancy. Is it the distance to the fences?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:07 amThe ballpark is terrible for fringe power hitters.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 15:55 pm We have a terrible ballpark for home runs. It's going to be hard to develop consistent power hitters here.
For true mashers, the ballpark doesn't or shouldn't matter. Do you think Aaron Judge wouldn't mash in Busch?