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Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 16:15 pm
by greyhawk
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:50 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:34 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:51 am
Contreras 32 RBI 239 PA (29 RBI over his last 185 PA)
Donovan 24 RBI 246 PA (14 RBI over his last 198 PA)
Donovan is hitting .321, 71 hits, second in NL, 19 doubles, tied for lead in NL, .384 OBP.
Contreras is 58th in average and only 32 RBI with Donovan hitting ahead of him. Now if you wanted to compare to Arenado I would buy it, but not Donovan.
Donovan is having a really nice season and doing great at getting on base. But he’s been a terrible RBI guy which is what you should be wanting out of a #3 hitter.
Among the 171 players with at least 80 PAs with runners on base, Donovan is T-48th in PAs and T-90th in RBI with men on base.
The other one is the one you brought up… Arenado, who is 2nd in MLB in PAs with men on base and T-71st in RBI with men on base.
Contreras is a better, but still not great ratio at 10th in PAs with men on base and T-28th in RBI.
Do we think Donovan's drop in rbi production at all correlates to the slumps both Noot and Scott are going thru?
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 16:20 pm
by Futuregm2
greyhawk wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 16:15 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:50 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:34 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:51 am
Contreras 32 RBI 239 PA (29 RBI over his last 185 PA)
Donovan 24 RBI 246 PA (14 RBI over his last 198 PA)
Donovan is hitting .321, 71 hits, second in NL, 19 doubles, tied for lead in NL, .384 OBP.
Contreras is 58th in average and only 32 RBI with Donovan hitting ahead of him. Now if you wanted to compare to Arenado I would buy it, but not Donovan.
Donovan is having a really nice season and doing great at getting on base. But he’s been a terrible RBI guy which is what you should be wanting out of a #3 hitter.
Among the 171 players with at least 80 PAs with runners on base, Donovan is T-48th in PAs and T-90th in RBI with men on base.
The other one is the one you brought up… Arenado, who is 2nd in MLB in PAs with men on base and T-71st in RBI with men on base.
Contreras is a better, but still not great ratio at 10th in PAs with men on base and T-28th in RBI.
Do we think Donovan's drop in rbi production at all correlates to the slumps both Noot and Scott are going thru?
Meh, I don’t necessarily think so because it’s been since April 9th.
Scott II has a .313 OBP and Noot a .336 OBP since then, not exactly terrible. Plus Winn has a .395 OBP in the 2nd spot and that happened in late April.
I just think for whatever reason Donovan hasn’t done a good job at getting RBIs. He doesn’t hit for the power that you want out of that spot. He’s the epitome of this team really. Good player, hitting a lot of doubles, getting on base, and not much over the wall power. In today’s game you need that over the wall power or everything else has to be perfect.
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 16:20 pm
by Lloyd Braun
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:50 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:34 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:51 am
Contreras 32 RBI 239 PA (29 RBI over his last 185 PA)
Donovan 24 RBI 246 PA (14 RBI over his last 198 PA)
Donovan is hitting .321, 71 hits, second in NL, 19 doubles, tied for lead in NL, .384 OBP.
Contreras is 58th in average and only 32 RBI with Donovan hitting ahead of him. Now if you wanted to compare to Arenado I would buy it, but not Donovan.
Donovan is having a really nice season and doing great at getting on base. But he’s been a terrible RBI guy which is what you should be wanting out of a #3 hitter.
Among the 171 players with at least 80 PAs with runners on base, Donovan is T-48th in PAs and T-90th in RBI with men on base.
The other one is the one you brought up… Arenado, who is 2nd in MLB in PAs with men on base and T-71st in RBI with men on base.
Contreras is a better, but still not great ratio at 10th in PAs with men on base and T-28th in RBI.
Donovan is slashing .327/.397/.455/.851 with runners in scoring position. Claiming he's been a terrible RBI guy is insane. He's got 19 RBI in only 55 ABs with RISP.
He's slashing .330/.382/.430/.812 with runners on base. He actually gets more hits and reaches base more, when runners are on base, then when they aren't on base.
His 137 OPS+ is HOF level. He's 2nd in the league in hits, on pace for 202 hits, including 54 doubles. He's also on pace for 70 RBI, which is nothing to sneeze at, considering he has less AB opportunities with RISP than Arenado, Contreras and Nootbar.
And its hard to drive in runs from the 3 hole, when your leadoff hitter stops getting on base. Nootbar has been horrendous since April 17. Slashing .235/.319/.383.
Brendan Donovan is the one and only offensive talent that isn't in question.
What an awfully weird post to claim Donovan is bad at RBI. Almost insane.
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 16:21 pm
by ecleme22
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:12 am
Not exactly a clutch hitter.
.806 ops w RISP
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 16:22 pm
by woofy25
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 16:01 pm
woofy25 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 15:57 pm
A lot of people really backing up WC on this forum. With so many doing so, I’d usually applaud the support. In this case, it’s clear Contreras just isn’t living up to the offensive “not a catcher anymore” hype. We all know he started slow but people act like he’s been on fire for some reason. He hit .267 with a .784 OPS in May. That’s good, certainly. But it’s nowhere near what people were expecting. I fully believe he’ll finish with an .800 OPS, but to-date, he is a below average hitter in 2025 and batting 4th bc there is no one else to take his place.
Well, I was expecting an .830-.850 OPS, numbers similar to what Freddie Freeman hit last season (.282 avg .854 OPS 35 2B 22 HR 89 RBI). And outside of his OPS, his pace for the counting numbers isn’t that far off of those. A .784 OPS isn’t that far off of that. And he’s got an .836 OPS over his last 161 PAs (38 games) with 25 RBI in that time.
He’ll be fine.
And in his last 15 games, he’s hitting .203 with a .521 OPS. So, those previous 23 must have been exceptional. Yes, he’ll be fine, but probably not elite.
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 19:38 pm
by Slip Kid
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:12 am
Not exactly a clutch hitter.
Bump
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 22:35 pm
by Futuregm2
And just like that Willson has 24 RBI over his last 27 games.
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 22:54 pm
by OldRed
Slip Kid wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 19:38 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:12 am
Not exactly a clutch hitter.
Bump
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 22:56 pm
by OldRed
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 22:54 pm
Slip Kid wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 19:38 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:12 am
Not exactly a clutch hitter.
Bump
I watched the first game and went to the second and he was smashing the ball today. I like how he looks and hope it continues.
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 07:39 am
by ecleme22
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 22:56 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 22:54 pm
Slip Kid wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 19:38 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:12 am
Not exactly a clutch hitter.
Bump
I watched the first game and went to the second and he was smashing the ball today. I like how he looks and hope it continues.
But if it doesn't....OldRed will write an OP about it.
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 07:50 am
by WLTFE
He's just ' stirring the pot.'
Re: 59K's, 51 hits
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 07:57 am
by scoutyjones2
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:50 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 09:34 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 08:51 am
Contreras 32 RBI 239 PA (29 RBI over his last 185 PA)
Donovan 24 RBI 246 PA (14 RBI over his last 198 PA)
Donovan is hitting .321, 71 hits, second in NL, 19 doubles, tied for lead in NL, .384 OBP.
Contreras is 58th in average and only 32 RBI with Donovan hitting ahead of him. Now if you wanted to compare to Arenado I would buy it, but not Donovan.
Donovan is having a really nice season and doing great at getting on base. But he’s been a terrible RBI guy which is what you should be wanting out of a #3 hitter.
Among the 171 players with at least 80 PAs with runners on base, Donovan is T-48th in PAs and T-90th in RBI with men on base.
The other one is the one you brought up… Arenado, who is 2nd in MLB in PAs with men on base and T-71st in RBI with men on base.
Contreras is a better, but still not great ratio at 10th in PAs with men on base and T-28th in RBI.
Hurdy and Noot need to trade places