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12xu wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:25 am This was a tremendous play which obviously helped the Cardinals win the game. He risked serious injury to make the play and even remained in the game.

My beef is with the ruling which made it automatic that the Arizona baserunners on 1st and 2nd advanced one base. The rule is this:

A fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into dead-ball territory [ 5.06(b)(3)(C) ]. In this scenario, a fielder having made a legal catch while in live-ball territory, is carried into dead-ball territory, where he then falls, or falls over a fence or railing into dead-ball territory. The ball is dead and all base runners advance one base. However, the catch is good and the out stands, so long as the catch was made before the player stepped or fell into dead-ball territory.
Important: Normally, we'd include here a note about "catch-and-carry." However, in 2016, Major League Baseball amended the rule, such that catch-and-carry no longer exists. Any live ball that is carried into dead ball territory is now considered a dead ball and runners advance one base. Rule 5.06(b)(3)(C) Comment reads: "If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should step or fall into any out-of-play area, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder entered such out-of-play area."

IMO this rule should be amended again, to benefit the fielder who makes the catch, that if said fielder is able to make a throw from the stands which prevents the runners from advancing, it should be allowable. Seems unfair to me, that the fielder making a spectacular play as Arenado did yesterday, is somewhat penalized by the runners advancing by rule. They should have to tag up and advance at their own risk, IMO. Now, if the fielder who catches the ball cannot return the ball into the field of play due to injury or restricted by objects in the stands or a fan, then one base only should be awarded to the baserunners.

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑26 May 2025 19:46 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:30 am

12xu wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:25 am This was a tremendous play which obviously helped the Cardinals win the game. He risked serious injury to make the play and even remained in the game.

My beef is with the ruling which made it automatic that the Arizona baserunners on 1st and 2nd advanced one base. The rule is this:

A fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into dead-ball territory [ 5.06(b)(3)(C) ]. In this scenario, a fielder having made a legal catch while in live-ball territory, is carried into dead-ball territory, where he then falls, or falls over a fence or railing into dead-ball territory. The ball is dead and all base runners advance one base. However, the catch is good and the out stands, so long as the catch was made before the player stepped or fell into dead-ball territory.
Important: Normally, we'd include here a note about "catch-and-carry." However, in 2016, Major League Baseball amended the rule, such that catch-and-carry no longer exists. Any live ball that is carried into dead ball territory is now considered a dead ball and runners advance one base. Rule 5.06(b)(3)(C) Comment reads: "If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should step or fall into any out-of-play area, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder entered such out-of-play area."

IMO this rule should be amended again, to benefit the fielder who makes the catch, that if said fielder is able to make a throw from the stands which prevents the runners from advancing, it should be allowable. Seems unfair to me, that the fielder making a spectacular play as Arenado did yesterday, is somewhat penalized by the runners advancing by rule. They should have to tag up and advance at their own risk, IMO. Now, if the fielder who catches the ball cannot return the ball into the field of play due to injury or restricted by objects in the stands or a fan, then one base only should be awarded to the baserunners.

Let’s look at it another way. Let’s say the rule says after the catch dead ball period. Then the runners beef would be- hey we could have tagged up? I see their side.

Also, if allowed to make a play from the dead ball area, I think injury would become a factor.

I see both sides so far.

Another reason why it has to be a dead ball so no plays are attempted.

Let's say the right fielder catches a ball while running at the wall. Player falls in to stands, runner first tags up. Right fielder in trying to throw to second is interfered with by a 5 year old spectator, and his throw is off line. What's the call? Can't be fan interference because player is in their territory. Just would open up too many worms. Rule seems good how it is. Players need to find a way to stay in play.

OldRed wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:37 am I prefer the Savannah Banana Rules: Foul balls caught by fans are outs.