3dender wrote: ↑17 May 2025 09:59 am
Whether it's hating or not, I explained in the fluke thread how a lot of their pitching right now is fluky. There will be regression in both rotation and bullpen.
Unless you think all 3 of Mikolas, Fedde and Liberatore will continue to vastly outperform their projections... or that the BP will keep rolling out 23 inning scoreless stretches. I don't personally believe that so I guess I'm a hater.
On the other hand I'm still really enjoying it while it lasts, maybe even moreso than people who think it'll continue forever... so I don't know what that makes me.
Fedde has basically same ERA as last year.
Libby is definitely outperforming projections but he’s a younger pitcher who had upside, was getting better peripherally every season, and finally turning the corner into a breakout season.
Mikolas may be better than projected but it’s not like he’s pulling a Matthew Boyd or Colin area in Cubbie land. He’s still a #5.
Ike Hammett wrote: ↑17 May 2025 04:20 am
Now, NOW is the time to bring your top hater [nonsense]!
Cards are playing good ball and showing what they are capable of. It's time to push them to perfection and make them even better. This league is not as easy as they have been making it look. These guys might have a shot to do something and become great if they learn to push themselves. 11 out of 12 in mid May isn't if you can't maintain it. Better tap your inner Donovan and build that wining muscle memory to fall back on in tough times. Build that winning culture that is natural to Cardinals. It's time to get in the best shape possible, master the fundamentals of everything you do and learn to love that grind. The talent and ability is there, can they take it to the next level and really be on the same level as the Champs and league leaders. Love what Manager Oli keeps talking about non stop, every inning, every at bat, every pitch, every play being focused and determined to win.
It's looked good recently but there is a long way to go to maintain at this level. Better toughen up and keep pushing to be better because the other dudes are.
Look, man, as a hater I fully admit I suck at everything. And your disappointment in me pales in comparison to my own. Why do you feel the need to pile on? While my wife was laughing at me last night (because I suck at everything) she took this picture of me. Thankfully she took it before hurling the rotten tomatoes at me. That would have been a really embarrassing picture. I'm going to slink along to the rest of my miserable day, and existence.
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:49 am
This team is way more likely to start a losing streak than continue on this pace...
I'm still not buying it that the Cards are this good, or that the Orioles are that horrible...
A .556 winning percentage isn't exactly historic in any way. That's a 90 win pace. That is a reasonable.
Um, talking about May that has the over reacting, over reacting
I think they are 11-3 in May. That would be 127 win pace. That's 11 more wins than the most ever. Nobody is stating that's possible. I will take 90 and a punchers chance in the playoffs. Not just this year but every year. Isn't that what you want?
I want a pennant, but “90 and a punchers chance in the playoffs” seems to satisfy the low-competitive types, including the owner.
And that's why you are a hater, almost the perfect definition. This is the big leagues ma'am, you don't think the Dodgers, Padres, Mets, Phillies, Braves, Scrubs, Giants want that Pennant too? The best any of those fan bases can expect is the same the Cards fans can. THAT'S BASEBALL! Whine, hate, moan and boycott due to your unreasonable expectations all you want but the more you all do, the more you get further from your goal. Even the Dodgers and Yankee doodle dandies with their huge payrolls and all star teams only have a punchers chance to win it all. So unreasonable.
OK. Just give me a franchise with all-out effort to win and I’m satisfied. The Cardinals don’t do that anymore. If you’re content with the bare minimum, that’s fine.
They’re playing good baseball right now. We’ll see if it lasts.
Huh? Did you get hit on the head with a coconut? In the same statement you posted they are not committed to winning AND they're playing good baseball at the same time. This club is capable of going 11-3 and also going 3-11, it's still the same team. You win some, you lose some, our boys bring it every game. The effort, attention to detail, being in shape, studying the scouting reports etc is the process they can control. The results not so much.
Any big leaguer is committed to winning. The ownership? Not so much. But hey, keep shaking them Pom-poms if it makes you feel better.
The same can be said about "fans" like you and your commitment to winning. Some of you haters call for boycotting the club, not showing up, not watching the games, bashing everything, not supporting the players etc. I know some of it is tough love and disappointment but the experience is (in a lot of ways) what the fans put in they get out. Cards have in my opinion always given a square deal with actually giving more than what is deserved in a lot of instances. I get it, lots of you can't be reasoned with and are never satisfied. Really it's kind of up to us whether we are more like the Pirates, Reds, or Royals OR closer to the Red Sox, Padres and Phillies.
From 2015-2023 the Cardinals drew no less than 3.2 million fans in a full season and were rewarded for their loyalty and investment with ONE playoff series win. This year and last the fans finally start getting wise and they’re criticized by people like you and laughed at by the president of the team and the FANS are to blame? I’d argue the fans have more than lived up to their end of the bargain, punching well above their weight for market size.
This has nothing to do with the players working hard and everything to do with ownership taking fan loyalty for granted and coasting.
I will concede that the Cardinals playoff performance has been rather poor for a while. But they make the playoffs a lot. Last time they were in the playoffs in 2022 I went to both of those games against the Phillies. I don't think they sold out! I strongly remember tickets on stubhub for $14 FOR PLAYOFF GAMES THAT DIDN'T SELLOUT. Remember that team? Goldy won MVP, Nado came in 3rd for MVP, we had Pujols, Yadi, Waino and won 93 games that season. It was very similar in 2019 the year they went to the NLCS. Imagine if they couldn't sellout playoff games at really good prices how much real revenues they generated from all those years? Also compare the payrolls of those years to the teams in the same division. Other than the tank and crazy spend Cubs in their WS year who else in our division has had big playoff success? (And those Cubs/ Cleveland WS tickets were going for record prices).
I was watching a YouTube video recently, I think it was at last year's all star game. The guy asked about 100 different fans from all over the country supporters of most all the teams, "What MLB fanbase deserves better"? Lots of Pirates, Mariners, Rockies, few Angels. Not 1 said the Cardinals. I bet if you ask those same fans which fanbase has it best you might get a few Cardinals. We are kind of spoiled not the opposite. We have a nice newer stadium, awesome ballpark village, always a competitive team, hall of farmers all at reasonable prices. A lot of those playoff games were epic battles also. None of those teams (except the 2019 Champs) were better than us. Just watched a Bernie Mikolas video, over the last 11 years Cards have spent $480 million more on payroll than the Royals. The fans money is being put into the product, I think fair and square.
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:49 am
This team is way more likely to start a losing streak than continue on this pace...
Why?
Offense is Top 10, defense is best in MLB, bullpen has been among the best for weeks and starting pitching has been solid.
Even Oli has been managing well.
I don't see an extended "losing streak".
Strength of schedule, Lizard Puke reverts back to himself, Matz injury, Helsley blows a couple more saves, hitters go into slumps, it's a long season and this will swing back the other way
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:49 am
This team is way more likely to start a losing streak than continue on this pace...
Why?
Offense is Top 10, defense is best in MLB, bullpen has been among the best for weeks and starting pitching has been solid.
Even Oli has been managing well.
I don't see an extended "losing streak".
Strength of schedule, Lizard Puke reverts back to himself, Matz injury, Helsley blows a couple more saves, hitters go into slumps, it's a long season and this will swing back the other way
I've lost my tail
this team has too much talent to lose 11 out of 12
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:49 am
This team is way more likely to start a losing streak than continue on this pace...
Why?
Offense is Top 10, defense is best in MLB, bullpen has been among the best for weeks and starting pitching has been solid.
Even Oli has been managing well.
I don't see an extended "losing streak".
Strength of schedule, Lizard Puke reverts back to himself, Matz injury, Helsley blows a couple more saves, hitters go into slumps, it's a long season and this will swing back the other way
I've lost my tail
Schedule does get harder but as I posted the other day, one of the best records in MLB vs teams above .500 sooooooooooo............
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:49 am
This team is way more likely to start a losing streak than continue on this pace...
I'm still not buying it that the Cards are this good, or that the Orioles are that horrible...
A .556 winning percentage isn't exactly historic in any way. That's a 90 win pace. That is a reasonable.
Um, talking about May that has the over reacting, over reacting
I think they are 11-3 in May. That would be 127 win pace. That's 11 more wins than the most ever. Nobody is stating that's possible. I will take 90 and a punchers chance in the playoffs. Not just this year but every year. Isn't that what you want?
This team will no finish ahead of the cubs...man I hope they do but I don't see it...cubs will go aquire what they need the birds wont
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:49 am
This team is way more likely to start a losing streak than continue on this pace...
I'm still not buying it that the Cards are this good, or that the Orioles are that horrible...
A .556 winning percentage isn't exactly historic in any way. That's a 90 win pace. That is a reasonable.
Um, talking about May that has the over reacting, over reacting
I think they are 11-3 in May. That would be 127 win pace. That's 11 more wins than the most ever. Nobody is stating that's possible. I will take 90 and a punchers chance in the playoffs. Not just this year but every year. Isn't that what you want?
This team will no finish ahead of the cubs...man I hope they do but I don't see it...cubs will go aquire what they need the birds wont
Cubs are playing good ball also and you might be right. The Catds will definitely get there chances head to head with them. There are also 3 wildcard spots up for grabs. The east and west will beat up on each other, somebody has to lose.
if you can't maintain it. Better tap your inner Donovan and build that wining muscle memory to fall back on in tough times. Build that winning culture that is natural to Cardinals. It's time to get in the best shape possible, master the fundamentals of everything you do and learn to love that grind. The talent and ability is there, can they take it to the next level and really be on the same level as the Champs and league leaders. Love what Manager Oli keeps talking about non stop, every inning, every at bat, every pitch, every play being focused and determined to win. 
