Simon Nemec

[seattleblue]

Trade Kyrou for Nemec??? Some of you have lost your freaking minds. That’s insanity pure and simple

Only Tobasco Flowers in this thread has said Kyrou is worth less than Nemec

[Zizzle1297]

That's would be horrible. I would much prefer Casey Seamus/ Dawson Mercer/ ++

[onetimedit]

I think its a bad idea to trade Kyrou, in a bad year he gets 30 goals. His D play took a nice jump under Monty. Get him back with a healthy DH and lookout! Karma will get ya on this one.

[tfriede2]

He produces at a 1st line winger rate. The rest is just semantics

[Old_Goat]

Kyrou is an excellent SECOND Line Right shot right winger at a very fair value salary going forward for quite a few years at a relatively young age. I would NOT trade him.
Figure out some other way to get another SECOND line Centerman with a few years left in the tank as well as another Top 4 Right Shot D-man with size/reach. A tall order indeed, but see what Management can do...that's why they get paid the big $ and don't bother with us on this Forum.

[Tabasco Flowers]

Trade Kyrou for Nemec??? Some of you have lost your freaking minds. That’s insanity pure and simple

Only Tobasco Flowers in this thread has said Kyrou is worth less than Nemec

And?

[hockey jedi]

I guess Kyrou is the new whipping boy. I think he is a vital piece to the Blues success. He can take over a game in a matter of seconds. He's worked hard to become a good two way player. I know he has some mental lapses, but he's not some throwaway piece for a trade. I wouldn't mind Nemac if we can get an Army type bargain.

[dhsux]

Nemec is not worth Kyrou. Not anymore anyway. A year or two ago? That’s probably what it would’ve taken to get Nemec. But now he’s 21, was drafted 3 years ago and still trying to stick in the NHL. He has some warts.

I wouldn’t remotely consider trading a 35 goal, 70+ point winger for a maybe with those kinds of warts.

That said, I am interested in Nemec. But it’d have to be a package based on a lesser piece. Like Bolduc or Hofer being the main piece going the other way.

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a kid that still has a lot of potential but put up only 4 points and was a -10 (on a good team) in 27 games. There’s a real above zero chance he busts. You don’t trade your leading goal scorer for that.

You know I was taken aback when you mentioned Bolduc as a potential trade chip here versus JK. Like whoaaa!

Wondering how many on this board would give up JK over Bolduc for a trade.

Clearly one would have to take a risk on Bolduc versus the known production of JK but even as a big supporter (and gambler) of JK I'd have to think about that.

[skilles]

I guess Kyrou is the new whipping boy. I think he is a vital piece to the Blues success. He can take over a game in a matter of seconds. He's worked hard to become a good two way player. I know he has some mental lapses, but he's not some throwaway piece for a trade. I wouldn't mind Nemac if we can get an Army type bargain.

I mean Nemac is not a throwaway trade.

[STL fan in MN]

Nemec is not worth Kyrou. Not anymore anyway. A year or two ago? That’s probably what it would’ve taken to get Nemec. But now he’s 21, was drafted 3 years ago and still trying to stick in the NHL. He has some warts.

I wouldn’t remotely consider trading a 35 goal, 70+ point winger for a maybe with those kinds of warts.

That said, I am interested in Nemec. But it’d have to be a package based on a lesser piece. Like Bolduc or Hofer being the main piece going the other way.

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a kid that still has a lot of potential but put up only 4 points and was a -10 (on a good team) in 27 games. There’s a real above zero chance he busts. You don’t trade your leading goal scorer for that.

You know I was taken aback when you mentioned Bolduc as a potential trade chip here versus JK. Like whoaaa!

Wondering how many on this board would give up JK over Bolduc for a trade.

Clearly one would have to take a risk on Bolduc versus the known production of JK but even as a big supporter (and gambler) of JK I'd have to think about that.

I wouldn’t want to give up Bolduc either but you have to give to get.

But I think shows how fed up some are with Kyrou that they’d perhaps value a winger that just put up 36 pts over one that’s averaged over 70 the last 4 years. That said, Bolduc has his whole career ahead of him. I personally would be a bit surprised if he consistently hit 70 pt seasons but then again, we didn’t really expect that out of Kyrou either when he was taken in the 2nd round.

It also shows how dramatically the value of players can change, especially young ones. A year ago, Nemec was an unproven but highly touted RD prospect who was recently drafted 2nd overall. And Bolduc had just scored 25 pts in 50 AHL games and then 9 in 25 NHL games to finish out the season. It would’ve taken 5 or so Bolducs to get 1 Nemec a year go.

I suggested Hofer as NJ has Markstrom, pending UFA Allen and an 18 yr old prospect as their goalies. And the Blues had Ellis emerge this season. Again, not a player I’d want to give up but also trying to be reasonable. Not all players can be had for Cole, D’ags and a 3rd after all.

[TBone]

The 101.1 mid day and fastlane all have an eye on simon nemec


What do you think it would take to get him. He has defiantly not living up to his draft pedigree. They were talking kyrou or a package.

I think someone at 101 monitors this board.

Ahead of the curve topics here become topics there.

[TBone]

Nemec is not worth Kyrou. Not anymore anyway. A year or two ago? That’s probably what it would’ve taken to get Nemec. But now he’s 21, was drafted 3 years ago and still trying to stick in the NHL. He has some warts.

I wouldn’t remotely consider trading a 35 goal, 70+ point winger for a maybe with those kinds of warts.

That said, I am interested in Nemec. But it’d have to be a package based on a lesser piece. Like Bolduc or Hofer being the main piece going the other way.

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a kid that still has a lot of potential but put up only 4 points and was a -10 (on a good team) in 27 games. There’s a real above zero chance he busts. You don’t trade your leading goal scorer for that.

Would you do Nemec for one of Bolduc, Neighbours or Snuggerud?

Or more to the point, what would you consider a fair trade to acquire Nemec?

[TheHighHat]

People are going to have to come to terms with the reality the Blues are going to have to pay a heavy price to get the RHD they very soon need.

They aren't drafting this player. If someone's stance is "well I only want a sure thing," please be very aware that that level of RHD is pretty much automatically worth at least an established scoring winger who is only average defensively. The reason is top RHD is way more valuable than top winger. That's just how it is.

Exactly.

It's all about supply and demand boys:
RHD-men are very difficult to acquire.
Scoring wingers are not.
I mentioned in the Devils thread that I would definitely trade Buchnevich for Nemec.

Ask Bill Guerin if it was worth the risk to trade a proven scoring winger (Fiala) for an unproven RHD (Faber).
Minny also got a 1st rounder.
Obviously, that doesn't mean that Nemec will pan out, but the Blues wing depth is the perfect match with the Devils RHD depth.
I mentioned in the other thread that this is where your pro scouts come in. Did they see Nemec play this year in the minors?
Does he still have top 4 upside or is he a dog?

It would be interesting if Mercer's name would be included in any trade talks with Nemec/Kyrou and the Devils.
He's more of a tweener positionally (RW & Center) and talent wise (probably best suited on 3rd line).
As an aside, isn't Kyrou's NTC kicking in soon?

[skilles]

Nemec is not worth Kyrou. Not anymore anyway. A year or two ago? That’s probably what it would’ve taken to get Nemec. But now he’s 21, was drafted 3 years ago and still trying to stick in the NHL. He has some warts.

I wouldn’t remotely consider trading a 35 goal, 70+ point winger for a maybe with those kinds of warts.

That said, I am interested in Nemec. But it’d have to be a package based on a lesser piece. Like Bolduc or Hofer being the main piece going the other way.

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a kid that still has a lot of potential but put up only 4 points and was a -10 (on a good team) in 27 games. There’s a real above zero chance he busts. You don’t trade your leading goal scorer for that.

You know I was taken aback when you mentioned Bolduc as a potential trade chip here versus JK. Like whoaaa!

Wondering how many on this board would give up JK over Bolduc for a trade.

Clearly one would have to take a risk on Bolduc versus the known production of JK but even as a big supporter (and gambler) of JK I'd have to think about that.

I wouldn’t want to give up Bolduc either but you have to give to get.

But I think shows how fed up some are with Kyrou that they’d perhaps value a winger that just put up 36 pts over one that’s averaged over 70 the last 4 years. That said, Bolduc has his whole career ahead of him. I personally would be a bit surprised if he consistently hit 70 pt seasons but then again, we didn’t really expect that out of Kyrou either when he was taken in the 2nd round.

It also shows how dramatically the value of players can change, especially young ones. A year ago, Nemec was an unproven but highly touted RD prospect who was recently drafted 2nd overall. And Bolduc had just scored 25 pts in 50 AHL games and then 9 in 25 NHL games to finish out the season. It would’ve taken 5 or so Bolducs to get 1 Nemec a year go.

I suggested Hofer as NJ has Markstrom, pending UFA Allen and an 18 yr old prospect as their goalies. And the Blues had Ellis emerge this season. Again, not a player I’d want to give up but also trying to be reasonable. Not all players can be had for Cole, D’ags and a 3rd after all.

I factor in money quite a bit personally.

Theoretically if I can get a 9 million dollar d man its 9 million less I can spend elsewhere anyway so I'd rather trade the higher paid player for that d man.

Say we are a cap team and I trade Bolduc for a 9 million dollar d man then I still have to sacrifice more to fit that d man within the salary structure.

I know that does not directly relate to Nemec but that is kind of how I think about it. Of course I'd rather find a young d that is proven and worth that kind of cap capital right now.

[Pierre McGuire]

Nemec is not worth Kyrou. Not anymore anyway. A year or two ago? That’s probably what it would’ve taken to get Nemec. But now he’s 21, was drafted 3 years ago and still trying to stick in the NHL. He has some warts.

I wouldn’t remotely consider trading a 35 goal, 70+ point winger for a maybe with those kinds of warts.

That said, I am interested in Nemec. But it’d have to be a package based on a lesser piece. Like Bolduc or Hofer being the main piece going the other way.

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a kid that still has a lot of potential but put up only 4 points and was a -10 (on a good team) in 27 games. There’s a real above zero chance he busts. You don’t trade your leading goal scorer for that.

Would you do Nemec for one of Bolduc, Neighbours or Snuggerud?

Or more to the point, what would you consider a fair trade to acquire Nemec?

Hell no

[dhsux]

Nemec is not worth Kyrou. Not anymore anyway. A year or two ago? That’s probably what it would’ve taken to get Nemec. But now he’s 21, was drafted 3 years ago and still trying to stick in the NHL. He has some warts.

I wouldn’t remotely consider trading a 35 goal, 70+ point winger for a maybe with those kinds of warts.

That said, I am interested in Nemec. But it’d have to be a package based on a lesser piece. Like Bolduc or Hofer being the main piece going the other way.

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a kid that still has a lot of potential but put up only 4 points and was a -10 (on a good team) in 27 games. There’s a real above zero chance he busts. You don’t trade your leading goal scorer for that.

Would you do Nemec for one of Bolduc, Neighbours or Snuggerud?

Or more to the point, what would you consider a fair trade to acquire Nemec?

Hell no

I'm hell no too but not because of any particular Blue I can't get past the risk on Nemec for those caliber players.