Sonny Gray

[thetank2]

What is the current position of Cards Talk posters on trading Sonny Gray? I understand that he has a no-trade clause and that he did not express an interest in being traded in the off-season. He has expressed a desire to play close to his home in Tennessee. That would leave the Reds and the Braves as possibilities. I assume that a trade within the division to the Reds is off the table, so that leaves the Braves. They got off to a slow start. They have pitching injuries and rank in the middle of the pack in most pitching categories. #1- Would you entertain trading him to the Braves if he would waive his NTC? #2- If you would, who do the Braves have that you would be interested in? 21 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers.

Let's go back to step 1 . Gray said he would not waive his NTC. Shouldn't you just stop there?

We can eat the entire cost.

[Quincy Varnish]

Arenado could once again be the hot topic of the Hot Stove at the deadline and beyond.
Gorman or Donovan could settle in at 3B.
Don’t know if JJ could factor in there.

I’m looking forward to this season even if they don’t make a run in September.
You mentioned the rotation:
Has Libby arrived?
Is Pallante a solid #5??
At some point we’ll see:
McGreevy
Graceffo
Mathews
Roby
Hence
Etc etc

I’m not how Pallante would slide to #5.

Gray
Liberatore
Pallante
McGreevy
Quinn Mathews?

I suppose they could sign some vet to a short-term contract, but that doesn’t appear the direction they’re heading. Good possibility Bloom will add some younger arms to that mix, I’d guess.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

Maybe I can re-introduce the topic at a more appropriate time, like after we play the Phillies, the Royals twice, and the Tigers and are no longer fantasizing about being a playoff team.

[BrockFloodMaris]

What is the current position of Cards Talk posters on trading Sonny Gray? I understand that he has a no-trade clause and that he did not express an interest in being traded in the off-season. He has expressed a desire to play close to his home in Tennessee. That would leave the Reds and the Braves as possibilities. I assume that a trade within the division to the Reds is off the table, so that leaves the Braves. They got off to a slow start. They have pitching injuries and rank in the middle of the pack in most pitching categories. #1- Would you entertain trading him to the Braves if he would waive his NTC? #2- If you would, who do the Braves have that you would be interested in? 21 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers.

Upside- Solid veteran pitcher. Only one year left on contract. Could act as a good mentor for the younger pitchers.
Downside- Age. Costly last year. NTC makes him tough to move.

If he is not moved at the deadline and he has a very strong season it’s possible they could look to rework/extend him if it makes sense. Spread his 2026 $$ out over an additional season??

Anyone can be dealt if the return is a very good one but that NTC will limit what the team can do.

I am reading on cards talk and in other places that Gray’s velocity is down. That is a huge red flag for any team that might be looking to add starting pitching.

His velocity is down so he'll waive his NTC and then we ship $20 million to some team and a low level prospect?

Eat the money. Quit claiming concern.

That’s an interesting prediction, tank. If Gray’s market is that bleak, I’m sure the Cards will just keep him. It’s not as though we are flush with an abundance of MLB-ready starting pitching, especially after 30july.

[rockondlouie]

No thanks.

I want Gray here.

He stated he wants to mentor the young pitchers, that's really valuable and w/M. Mikolas and E. Fedde gone after this year the staff needs his veteran leadership.

He's also back to pitching like FOTR starter.

Last 6 GS
2.80 ERA
3.17 FiP
32 KO's
1.10 WHiP

[ecleme22]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

Maybe I can re-introduce the topic at a more appropriate time, like after we play the Phillies, the Royals twice, and the Tigers and are no longer fantasizing about being a playoff team.

All offseason: "We will never be able to trade Arenado!"
After 6 good weeks: "That Arenado contract is a bargain!"


That's Cardstalk...

[hugeCardfan]

What is the current position of Cards Talk posters on trading Sonny Gray? I understand that he has a no-trade clause and that he did not express an interest in being traded in the off-season. He has expressed a desire to play close to his home in Tennessee. That would leave the Reds and the Braves as possibilities. I assume that a trade within the division to the Reds is off the table, so that leaves the Braves. They got off to a slow start. They have pitching injuries and rank in the middle of the pack in most pitching categories. #1- Would you entertain trading him to the Braves if he would waive his NTC? #2- If you would, who do the Braves have that you would be interested in? 21 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers.

Upside- Solid veteran pitcher. Only one year left on contract. Could act as a good mentor for the younger pitchers.
Downside- Age. Costly last year. NTC makes him tough to move.

If he is not moved at the deadline and he has a very strong season it’s possible they could look to rework/extend him if it makes sense. Spread his 2026 $$ out over an additional season??

Anyone can be dealt if the return is a very good one but that NTC will limit what the team can do.

Gray’s contract wouldn’t be an easy one to move without the NTC. He’ll cost $40M in 2026 if his 2027 option is declined. He wouldn’t be short on suitors, but it’s still unlikely teams would be offering their top prospects.

It was a poorly designed contract, and the Cards probably end up eating it.

It was designed to keep Sonny around thru 2027; thus not poorly designed at all.

[hugeCardfan]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

Maybe I can re-introduce the topic at a more appropriate time, like after we play the Phillies, the Royals twice, and the Tigers and are no longer fantasizing about being a playoff team.

Is that your prediction? Perhaps we can revisit this.

[ramfandan]

Cincinnati is not close to Nashville.

Cincinnati to Nashville (272 miles via I-65 & I-71 )

St.Louis to Nashville 320 miles I-24 & I-55 )

So compared to St. Louis , yes, Cincy is closer to Nashville Driving it's about 40 min. closer 3 hr. 51 min. to 4 1/2 hrs.

Source: Mapquest.com


And Atlanta, Ga. is closer to Nashville than Nashvillle to St. Louis also Nashville to Atlanta via I-24 & I-75 is 248 miles 3 hr. 35 min .

[Quincy Varnish]

What is the current position of Cards Talk posters on trading Sonny Gray? I understand that he has a no-trade clause and that he did not express an interest in being traded in the off-season. He has expressed a desire to play close to his home in Tennessee. That would leave the Reds and the Braves as possibilities. I assume that a trade within the division to the Reds is off the table, so that leaves the Braves. They got off to a slow start. They have pitching injuries and rank in the middle of the pack in most pitching categories. #1- Would you entertain trading him to the Braves if he would waive his NTC? #2- If you would, who do the Braves have that you would be interested in? 21 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers.

Upside- Solid veteran pitcher. Only one year left on contract. Could act as a good mentor for the younger pitchers.
Downside- Age. Costly last year. NTC makes him tough to move.

If he is not moved at the deadline and he has a very strong season it’s possible they could look to rework/extend him if it makes sense. Spread his 2026 $$ out over an additional season??

Anyone can be dealt if the return is a very good one but that NTC will limit what the team can do.

Gray’s contract wouldn’t be an easy one to move without the NTC. He’ll cost $40M in 2026 if his 2027 option is declined. He wouldn’t be short on suitors, but it’s still unlikely teams would be offering their top prospects.

It was a poorly designed contract, and the Cards probably end up eating it.

It was designed to keep Sonny around thru 2027; thus not poorly designed at all.

A backloaded contract with an NTC on the cusp of a rebuild is far from ideal.

[scoutyjones2]

What is the current position of Cards Talk posters on trading Sonny Gray? I understand that he has a no-trade clause and that he did not express an interest in being traded in the off-season. He has expressed a desire to play close to his home in Tennessee. That would leave the Reds and the Braves as possibilities. I assume that a trade within the division to the Reds is off the table, so that leaves the Braves. They got off to a slow start. They have pitching injuries and rank in the middle of the pack in most pitching categories. #1- Would you entertain trading him to the Braves if he would waive his NTC? #2- If you would, who do the Braves have that you would be interested in? 21 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers.

Upside- Solid veteran pitcher. Only one year left on contract. Could act as a good mentor for the younger pitchers.
Downside- Age. Costly last year. NTC makes him tough to move.

If he is not moved at the deadline and he has a very strong season it’s possible they could look to rework/extend him if it makes sense. Spread his 2026 $$ out over an additional season??

Anyone can be dealt if the return is a very good one but that NTC will limit what the team can do.

Gray’s contract wouldn’t be an easy one to move without the NTC. He’ll cost $40M in 2026 if his 2027 option is declined. He wouldn’t be short on suitors, but it’s still unlikely teams would be offering their top prospects.

It was a poorly designed contract, and the Cards probably end up eating it.

Probably right.
Payroll may not be an issue in 2026?
Arenado could still be dealt although his $$ are less in 2026.
I assumed Matz/Mikolas would both be gone to the tune of saving $30M.
LOL...of course at the moment they are doing well!

Ya… the rotation will obviously get much younger next year. They can handle the Gray/Arenado/Contreras contracts, but I think they may still move Arenado.

Arenado could once again be the hot topic of the Hot Stove at the deadline and beyond.
Gorman or Donovan could settle in at 3B.
Don’t know if JJ could factor in there.

I’m looking forward to this season even if they don’t make a run in September.
You mentioned the rotation:
Has Libby arrived?
Is Pallante a solid #5??
At some point we’ll see:
McGreevy
Graceffo
Mathews
Roby
Hence
Etc etc

Aren't a few of those pitchers injured?

[hugeCardfan]

What is the current position of Cards Talk posters on trading Sonny Gray? I understand that he has a no-trade clause and that he did not express an interest in being traded in the off-season. He has expressed a desire to play close to his home in Tennessee. That would leave the Reds and the Braves as possibilities. I assume that a trade within the division to the Reds is off the table, so that leaves the Braves. They got off to a slow start. They have pitching injuries and rank in the middle of the pack in most pitching categories. #1- Would you entertain trading him to the Braves if he would waive his NTC? #2- If you would, who do the Braves have that you would be interested in? 21 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers.

Upside- Solid veteran pitcher. Only one year left on contract. Could act as a good mentor for the younger pitchers.
Downside- Age. Costly last year. NTC makes him tough to move.

If he is not moved at the deadline and he has a very strong season it’s possible they could look to rework/extend him if it makes sense. Spread his 2026 $$ out over an additional season??

Anyone can be dealt if the return is a very good one but that NTC will limit what the team can do.

Gray’s contract wouldn’t be an easy one to move without the NTC. He’ll cost $40M in 2026 if his 2027 option is declined. He wouldn’t be short on suitors, but it’s still unlikely teams would be offering their top prospects.

It was a poorly designed contract, and the Cards probably end up eating it.

It was designed to keep Sonny around thru 2027; thus not poorly designed at all.

A backloaded contract with an NTC on the cusp of a rebuild is far from ideal.

They may not have anticipated as long of a rebuild as you have. We'll see how poorly designed it is. At least the last year is an option in case your pessimism rules the day. But, then, I'm guessing you are a bit surprised that we are already above .500.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

Maybe I can re-introduce the topic at a more appropriate time, like after we play the Phillies, the Royals twice, and the Tigers and are no longer fantasizing about being a playoff team.

Is that your prediction? Perhaps we can revisit this.

I don't know if prediction is the right word- belief might be the way I would say it. I'm not adamant, or grumpy about it. I'm enjoying the winning like everyone else. I don't dislike the team and actually am optimistic about things going forward. But...I think they are not quite there yet, and rather than being a fringe-type, maybe playoff team I would like to see them do the things they can to bring in 2-3 players who will make a difference going forward. If I have misjudged the situation, I will not be unhappy at all. I just think that's where things are right now.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

Maybe I can re-introduce the topic at a more appropriate time, like after we play the Phillies, the Royals twice, and the Tigers and are no longer fantasizing about being a playoff team.

Is that your prediction? Perhaps we can revisit this.

I don't know if prediction is the right word- belief might be the way I would say it. I'm not adamant, or grumpy about it. I'm enjoying the winning like everyone else. I don't dislike the team and actually am optimistic about things going forward. But...I think they are not quite there yet, and rather than being a fringe-type, maybe playoff team I would like to see them do the things they can to bring in 2-3 players who will make a difference going forward. If I have misjudged the situation, I will not be unhappy at all. I just think that's where things are right now.

Also, more than being eager to get rid of Sonny Gray, I was interested to hear if anyone here thought the Braves might have anyone in their system who could be one of those difference-makers, but no one has responded to that. I am not unhappy to have Sonny Gray today, or going forward.

[thetank2]

Were finally playing great baseball and we are in the thick of the division and wild card races.

Stop talking about trading guys. Now is not the time

lol. No kidding.

Maybe I can re-introduce the topic at a more appropriate time, like after we play the Phillies, the Royals twice, and the Tigers and are no longer fantasizing about being a playoff team.

All offseason: "We will never be able to trade Arenado!"
After 6 good weeks: "That Arenado contract is a bargain!"


That's Cardstalk...

If we could trade Arenado with contract as is and no cash sent for a top level prospect then yes. It's not worth shipping him off with cash. Eat the money here while he drives in 75.