Arenado should hit in five slot.

[imadangman]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

That was a good write.

[imadangman]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

That was a good write.

LF Nootbaar
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Gorman
SS Winn
2B Saggese
RF Walker
CF Scott

That could be a good lineup if Contreras and Gorman are both hitting with consistency. Then you have Winn in a role similar to what Renteria used to be, picking up rbis with his contact skills.

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Problem is we don’t have a 4 on roster. I think they were hoping for Gorman but that won’t work.

Bingo! Arenado is batting cleanup despite his 109 OPS+, 3 HRs and 13 RBIs. On track for about 15 HRs and 65 RBIs. That's not cleanup material. But there is nobody else. The Cardinals have 2 guys on track for at least 20 HRs--Nootbaar and Herrera, who has been gone for close to 4 weeks now.

When Herrera gets back, maybe he gets a crack at cleanup?

[Shady]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

That was a good write.

LF Nootbaar
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Gorman
SS Winn
2B Saggese
RF Walker
CF Scott

That could be a good lineup if Contreras and Gorman are both hitting with consistency. Then you have Winn in a role similar to what Renteria used to be, picking up rbis with his contact skills.

LF Nootbaar
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Gorman
SS Winn
2B Saggese
RF Walker
CF Scott
Man, this lineup sure has 2B covered. LOL

[imadangman]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

That was a good write.

LF Nootbaar
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Gorman
SS Winn
2B Saggese
RF Walker
CF Scott

That could be a good lineup if Contreras and Gorman are both hitting with consistency. Then you have Winn in a role similar to what Renteria used to be, picking up rbis with his contact skills.

LF Nootbaar
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Gorman
SS Winn
2B Saggese
RF Walker
CF Scott
Man, this lineup sure has 2B covered. LOL

LF Nootbaar
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
2B Gorman
SS Winn
2B Saggese
RF Walker
CF Scott

Is that better

[renostl]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

Winn does have appeal higher in the lineup, especially with the number of LH bats that stack up rather fast. Herrera could also
be the play there.

NA being lower in the lineup is the correct but unattainable choice unless we are changing from NA and the Cardinals from
being mutually "ok" with a trade to NA asking to be traded and the Cardinals decreasing his value at the same time.
Ironically most teams that would want him, won't bat him 4th.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

Some have called for Scott to leadoff. Some have been ok with Scott staying 9th as the double leadoff.

Nootbaar is a good guy to have at the plate with Scott on base.

Donovan has the best #2 hitter skills that you outline. He can hit anywhere. But with a fast runner on first, Donovan has the skills to aggressively put the ball in play and he can easily pull ground balls through the hole on the right side.

So you could argue for Scott-Nootbaar-Donovan hitting consecutively 1-2-3 or 9-1-2.

Winn is the interesting player in that mix. When he's right he works really well as the guy that can punch the ball through the right side as well. He's also a fast runner who sets up well for a good hitter like Donovan with the skills we explained.

I think when everyone is healthy I'd do the following.

LF Nootbaar
SS Winn
2B Donovan
1B Contreras
C Herrera
3B Arenado
DH Gorman
RF Walker
CF Scott II

A lot of exciting skills in that lineup. Starts of with a mix of contact and speed. Then you have good rbi men 4-7.

It becomes interesting if someone like Gorman starts to show more consistency. I'm starting to hope Arenado gets moved. Then you can create more playing time for Gorman (and Saggese) and see where they all fit best.

Winn does have appeal higher in the lineup, especially with the number of LH bats that stack up rather fast. Herrera could also
be the play there.

NA being lower in the lineup is the correct but unattainable choice unless we are changing from NA and the Cardinals from
being mutually "ok" with a trade to NA asking to be traded and the Cardinals decreasing his value at the same time.
Ironically most teams that would want him, won't bat him 4th.

He’d fit in perfectly in a high level support role. For a team needing just a piece or two.

[Shady]

Problem is we don’t have a 4 on roster. I think they were hoping for Gorman but that won’t work.

Bingo! Arenado is batting cleanup despite his 109 OPS+, 3 HRs and 13 RBIs. On track for about 15 HRs and 65 RBIs. That's not cleanup material. But there is nobody else. The Cardinals have 2 guys on track for at least 20 HRs--Nootbaar and Herrera, who has been gone for close to 4 weeks now.

When Herrera gets back, maybe he gets a crack at cleanup?

"When Herrera gets back, maybe he gets a crack at cleanup?" Seems like the move to make.

[jbrach]

Good Friday morning.

My old school ways said that the lead off hitter just gets on base; anyway. Noot works.

The second hitter must have the best bat on the team. Bunts slap hits, and hits. Minimal power. Fast. Rarely K’s. Few DP

Number three is semi fast, hits many extra base hits, around 20 home runs and 85 rbis. Few DP and few K’s. Think Clemente.

Number four is cleanup. Homeruns to 25-30, 100 rbis slow do’s and will strike out. We don’t have this guy.

Number five is a number three clone but less of everything. Slower. 15 homeruns 65 RBIs k’s a bit, more DP.

Nolan is a five. Need Herrera to hit fourth.

Thoughts.

he needs to hit period, this obsession with where people hit is weird...

How is that weird. It’s so engrained in the game, the lineup, that it even gets presented to start a game. I’d think talking about the hitting order would be one of the top constant topics.

it is weird because people here speak of the batting order as if it is a panacea to people not hitting....it is silly and makes little if any difference...