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Posted: **30 Apr 2025 15:34 pm**

alw80 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:31 pmNo

Both show signs of years of big league talent and presently , cost controlled talent. If you were to move either of them tomorrow who would you want in return?

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 15:36 pm**

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:57 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:53 pm Winn, Scott, Donovan. Maybe Noot and Herrera. They are a fine core…can be your 1,2, 5,6,7 hitters for years. But without true middle of the order bats to go with them it doesn’t matter much. If Gorman and Walker don’t figure it out in a big way this season Bloom is going to have to spend big money to field a contending team. Hope he does.
Yep, exactly. And nothing wrong with that. Teams SHOULD have a couple of big money bashers in their lineup.

I think Walker and Gorman can't be counted on to become that. Bloom is going to have to spend some money on a couple of pieces. If Walker and Gorman end up becoming that, then just a bonus.

Correct. They were both expected to be this lineups “power” and are providing none of that. It’s a lineup with solid pieces (contact, speed,obp) but it will definitely need some mashers.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 15:38 pm**

imadangman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:55 pm People ask this question every week and it's always different answers based on who's hot

+1

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 15:40 pm**

thetank2 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 15:38 pm
imadangman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:55 pm People ask this question every week and it's always different answers based on who's hot
+1

Oh you Cocksugger!!

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 15:42 pm**

If Winn and Scott could score 90 runs we would have something.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 15:46 pm**

imadangman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:55 pm People ask this question every week and it's always different answers based on who's hot

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 16:01 pm**

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 15:34 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:31 pmNo
Both show signs of years of big league talent and presently , cost controlled talent. If you were to move either of them tomorrow who would you want in return?

Its hard to say what exactly their value is. But this team has a serious lack of top end talent and I don't think anyone on this team should be untradeable. We're a few years away from being a serious contender.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 16:04 pm**

alw80 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 16:01 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 15:34 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:31 pmNo
Both show signs of years of big league talent and presently , cost controlled talent. If you were to move either of them tomorrow who would you want in return?
Its hard to say what exactly their value is. But this team has a serious lack of top end talent and I don't think anyone on this team should be untradeable. We're a few years away from being a serious contender.

Not if they offload Arenado then take payroll back up to 180-200 million for 2026.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 16:14 pm**

Jatalk wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:41 pm Can we wait until closer to trade deadline to decide?

Of course. Entertainment purposes only. "We" don't get to decide anything.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 16:16 pm**

imadangman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:55 pm People ask this question every week and it's always different answers based on who's hot

I'm not basing it on who's hot and who's not. As I stated...it's based upon...

Age
Defensive ability
Speed
Offensive improvement

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 16:40 pm**

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 15:11 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:57 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:53 pm Winn, Scott, Donovan. Maybe Noot and Herrera. They are a fine core…can be your 1,2, 5,6,7 hitters for years. But without true middle of the order bats to go with them it doesn’t matter much. If Gorman and Walker don’t figure it out in a big way this season Bloom is going to have to spend big money to field a contending team. Hope he does.
Yep, exactly. And nothing wrong with that. Teams SHOULD have a couple of big money bashers in their lineup.

I think Walker and Gorman can't be counted on to become that. Bloom is going to have to spend some money on a couple of pieces. If Walker and Gorman end up becoming that, then just a bonus.
Add a couple of Kyle’s - Tucker and Schwarber - and the offense competes with anyone. Who makes up the starting rotation? Do Gorman or Walker have enough value left to net a decent starting pitcher?

Noot LF
Contreras 1B
Tucker RF
Schwarber DH
Herrera C
Donovan 2B
Saggesse 3B
Scott Cf
Winn Ss

SP: Gray, Pallante, Libby, ???, ???

More realistically, just add one Kyle and hope JJ Wetherholt is ready to produce in 2026.
Mathews could be ready to add to the rotation.
Cards could compete in 2026 IF things fall into place. A good signing and a good trade could really help ............ you never know.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 16:56 pm**

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:31 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:25 pm Both are young. Both are well above average defensively. Both are extremely fast and potential base stealers. Both keep improving at the dish.

Sure, in theory no one is untouchable. But realistically thinking...these guys have to be regarded as untouchable, don't they?

Anyone else? Maybe Libby & Pallante? Maybe Noot? Thoughts?
Winn for sure is IMO
Scott is probably close to it. He’s showing he might be like Winn last year.

Libby needs to continue pitching like he has been, but I would say he’s a guy you’re trying to keep.

Noot should be in line for an extension. Donovan as well, although I’m less likely to give him one IMO because of our MIF depth in the organization and he’s slightly older than Noot.

This team would look so much better if one of Walker or Gorman could produce.

Scott looks like a completely different player in the box this year...credit to him for the change...his confidence is only going to get better...he's a player....can go it in center...speed...

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 17:00 pm**

alw80 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:31 pmNo

Dumb answer some of you people make me laugh all you want to do is trade guys!

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 17:01 pm**

I think they're largely untouchable (no one is completely untouchable) due to the way they play defense at two premium defensive positions. Throw in their age, speed, and improving bats and they are two players to build around IMHO.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 17:22 pm**

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 16:16 pm
imadangman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 14:55 pm People ask this question every week and it's always different answers based on who's hot
I'm not basing it on who's hot and who's not. As I stated...it's based upon...

Age
Defensive ability
Speed
Offensive improvement

You may be, but I agree that many on CT are fickle on this topic and so many others.

Posted: **30 Apr 2025 17:28 pm**

No one is untouchable - however, they represent exactly the kind of young, quality players that a rebuilding organization like the Cardinals should be doing everything to acquire. So if you already have them, it would make almost no sense to trade them.

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