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RunSup wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:06 am I'm no accountant. I do pay a mortgage. Just running the numbers from the discussion above.

7% of $2.55B is $178.5M of debt. God only knows what they are including as debt.

Then, ... Over how many years to pay back? At what interest rate?

With 0% interest rate and paying off in X years, the debt service is at least:

5 years: ~ $36M a year
15 years: ~ $12M a year
30 years: ~ 6M a year.

Real accountants can correct this and any of my thinking.

Depends on what portion is term debt and what portion is revolving debt.

So a 7% debt on your total valuation is extremely low. Every time you decrease your principal on your loan you own that much more % of your asset, so it's not an expense as it balances on your net value. I would guess the Cards have had plenty of chances to lock in low interest rates over the years.
In my business, I locked in a 2.95% a few years ago for the life of the loan. I could pay if off easily anytime , but at 2.95% why would I want to when before the tariff madness, you could do multiple times better than that elsewhere. Think I have 20 years or so left on the loan if I never pay ahead. Also having the interest deduction helps reduce some on the income side. Many businesses create a lot of expenses to help mask how high their net income could be.
The easy conclusion, Cards are in great shape financially. Are they preparing for the potential lockout? Are they extremely conservative? Where is winning on their priority list?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

Best you stay out of this conversation, unless you can input specific accounting or finance perspective.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

More gaslighting by one of the shoe shine boys.

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:10 am

RunSup wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:06 am I'm no accountant. I do pay a mortgage. Just running the numbers from the discussion above.

7% of $2.55B is $178.5M of debt. God only knows what they are including as debt.

Then, ... Over how many years to pay back? At what interest rate?

With 0% interest rate and paying off in X years, the debt service is at least:

5 years: ~ $36M a year
15 years: ~ $12M a year
30 years: ~ 6M a year.

Real accountants can correct this and any of my thinking.

Depends on what portion is term debt and what portion is revolving debt.

OMGosh all you're doing is throwing around buzz terms since you have no idea how the debt is structured.

The Cardinals are cash rich.........the ownership equity is off the charts.............the team has a very small debt service when compared to revenues.

Quit trying to cry poor mouth like you hero BDWJr once embarrassingly tried to do in a national interview.

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

Best you stay out of this conversation, unless you can input specific accounting or finance perspective.

Hey moron unlike you I actually spent nearly ten years as a commercial banker.

I have more knowledge of this in my little finger than you do in your toady front office footstool body.

You know NOTHING about commercial banking or finance, you're a poser clown.

What a dumb a z z you are granny.

Voldemort wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:36 am When looking at profit, don't forget that DeWallet makes a s... load of money from Ballpark Village.

Yep, b*stard gets a $3k check from me every month. And he still hasn't responded to any of my suggestion box letters! Granted, I installed the suggestion box (multiple times--someone keeps taking it down).

Keep on it Rock. You're spot on. Cranny getting exposed ........................ even more.
Would be interesting to know all the dividends going out.

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:43 am

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:56 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Can you explain this a little better? What’s 7% of the present value of the franchise have to do this?

Interest is deductible on an income statement.
But any principal reduction required by the banks
isn’t.

Multiple 7% times a value of $3.55 billion and it will tell you what the principal of the debt is.
How much they owe the banks. Only on the cash flow statement would it show principal reduction required by the banks.

So any poster who only talks about net profit doesn’t totally understand accounting and the difference between an income statement and a cash flow statement.

Nice job poser, can't even get the numbers right.

One piece of information I wish we had was total payroll for everyone the team is responsible for paying, not just the players. They are responsible not just to pay players but front office types, scouts, stadium maintenance people, ticket sales folks and the like. If you have $300 million payroll to meet, you might want to keep a bit in reserve in case you have some bad months. I also wonder what they have in savings (I assume they have some) and what that looks like. The whole thing fascinates me more than anything.

JDW wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:19 am Keep on it Rock. You're spot on. Cranny getting exposed ........................ even more.
Would be interesting to know all the dividends going out.

Dewitt's take hefty salaries, expenses as well as sharing in the dividends the team has paid out for decades.

And that's GREAT, like scouty said it's a BUSINESS.

But for that idiot cranny to simply google terms, re-post them and act like he's Jamie Diamond shows how low he'll go to protect his hero BDWJr from being exposed this past offseason as the cheap wad he truly has become.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:16 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

Best you stay out of this conversation, unless you can input specific accounting or finance perspective.

Hey moron unlike you I actually spent nearly ten years as a commercial banker.

I have more knowledge of this in my little finger than you do in your toady front office footstool body.

You know NOTHING about commercial banking or finance, you're a poser clown.

What a dumb a z z you are granny.

There’s no reason to be a complete idiot. Cranny has been in investment banking forever. To suggest he doesn’t know anything about banking or finance is plain stupid. That’s a choice you’re making that you don’t have to. Don’t be stupid.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

More gaslighting by one of the shoe shine boys.

For sure 11WSC

How can anyone defend BDWJr when all he did this offseason was instruct Mo to let Goldy, Lynn, Gibson etal go, sell-off as many players as he could (which could still happen midseason) and then only signed one (albet a good one) player in Maton for a measly $2M?

It's indefenseable

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

New structure is to give younger players playing time and strengthen the minor league development system. That’s very defensible.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

In before Cranny and Tank tell us that $34M profit isn’t that much.

EBITDA isn't profit. It doesn't include interest expense, taxes or depreciation. It also from a cash flow perspective doesn't include capitalized expenditures or the principal owed on the debt

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:33 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 11:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 09:45 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 08:54 am Cardinals Valuation/$2.55B, Revenues/$395M and Net Profit/$34M in 2024.

Plus only 7% Debt as % of value.

Yet BDWJr sought to slash as much payroll as he could this offseason while adding only one major league player, P. Maton at $2M.


CNBC’s Official MLB Team Valuations 2025: Here’s how the 30 franchises stack up

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/cnbcs-o ... -2025.html

Cash flow is a better gauge than net profit. What's 7% of $2.55 Billion? Debt service that, including any principal reduction required by the banks each year.

Huh

Cash Flow is simply the movement of money in and out of the business, are you trying to act like the Cardinals are cash poor?

New structure is to give younger players playing time and strengthen the minor league development system. That’s very defensible.

Young players?

Other than VSII it's virtually the same roster as 2024.