Redbird Rants

[hugeCardfan]

Its not the disagreement with some of Marmol's moves that is annoying to me. Heck, I'm old enough to remember when some fans turned on Herzog in early 1984 and said he was a lousy manager and an ego maniac after a terrible 1983 and the trade of Hernandez. Managers exist to be complained about. When teams lose they are an easy target. It is the unhinged dislike and blame game of his every move that gets old and tiresome. I think he did a decent job last year with a team that should have lost more than it did. I agree with Helsley pitching the 9th inning of those recent extra inning games to set up a situation to win in the 9th. If players executed we would have won both games. I agree the with not pinch hitting for Winn in the 4th game of a long season. You are not going to bury the kid that early. Most managers would have done the same thing. People can disagree but that doesn't make them right either.

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[Cranny]

Its not the disagreement with some of Marmol's moves that is annoying to me. Heck, I'm old enough to remember when some fans turned on Herzog in early 1984 and said he was a lousy manager and an ego maniac after a terrible 1983 and the trade of Hernandez. Managers exist to be complained about. When teams lose they are an easy target. It is the unhinged dislike and blame game of his every move that gets old and tiresome. I think he did a decent job last year with a team that should have lost more than it did. I agree with Helsley pitching the 9th inning of those recent extra inning games to set up a situation to win in the 9th. If players executed we would have won both games. I agree the with not pinch hitting for Winn in the 4th game of a long season. You are not going to bury the kid that early. Most managers would have done the same thing. People can disagree but that doesn't make them right either.

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[Strummer Jones]

I occasionally read articles on this sight, and today I saw one written by Scott Plaza, where he basically was criticizing some us here on Cards Talk for second guessing Oli after only a few games. Which made me wonder which one of the front office homers he is on here?
Last time I checked it is allowed for fans to discuss games and the things that they saw and either agree or disagree with. In my point of view, Oli makes it easy to second guess some moves he makes, and when he does I’m going to continue to point them out, or agree with others when they do. So, Scott, or whoever you are here on CT, it’s ok if you to like Oli and the way he manages a ballgame, but it’s also ok for me to disagree with some of the stupid things he continuously does!
Great win today, and a great game by Herrera, wonder if he’ll even get to hit tomorrow?

All fair points, but...

Just because you would have done it differently doesn't make him wrong. Just because a decision blows up doesn't make the decision wrong. As the saying goes, the other team has guys on scholarship, too.

And before you label me a FO homer, I'll be happy when Mo is gone (his time has past) and there is a different manager (he was the wrong choice to begin with).

This. 110%.

I don't think Marmol is the next Sparky Anderson by any stretch, but he's also not nearly as inept as some would paint him. Marmol's made some head scratchers, but not near as many as Matheny.

[2ninr]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

[Cranny]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

[woofy25]

Plenty of deserved criticism for the posts on this board. Don't be like sports talk radio people who love to criticize everything under the sun, then get defensive, insulting, and unhinged when someone questions them. Remarkably, most of the comments on this thread, so far, have been perfectly reasonable.

[2ninr]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

Yes it does. In my world. Not sure what world you live in. A troll one is all I know for sure.

[desertrat23]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

Yes it does. In my world. Not sure what world you live in. A troll one is all I know for sure.

Seems like you live in a pretty small world. I have no love for John Mozeliak but not because he's not a "man's man." What is a "man's man," anyway?

[2ninr]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

Yes it does. In my world. Not sure what world you live in. A troll one is all I know for sure.

Seems like you live in a pretty small world. I have no love for John Mozeliak but not because he's not a "man's man." What is a "man's man," anyway?

It means I do man things. My accessories are usually camouflage.

[desertrat23]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

Yes it does. In my world. Not sure what world you live in. A troll one is all I know for sure.

Seems like you live in a pretty small world. I have no love for John Mozeliak but not because he's not a "man's man." What is a "man's man," anyway?

It means I do man things. My accessories are usually camouflage.

Cool? I’m a man. I do things. Doesn’t that make them “man things?”

[thetank2]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

Yes it does. In my world. Not sure what world you live in. A troll one is all I know for sure.

Seems like you live in a pretty small world. I have no love for John Mozeliak but not because he's not a "man's man." What is a "man's man," anyway?

A man who looks like a biker with lots of tattoos

[desertrat23]

Marmol is an over 500 manager for his career. If he was that horrible and if Mo was that horrible, I don't see that happening. I'm in the middle about Marmol. From all accounts he has a good relationship with those around him. That has some value in todays game. I think his game day managing and lineups need improvement for him to stay. I've had no quarrels so far this year. Mo can't pick a fa to save his life but his record shows a lot of wins for the Cardinals. My problem with him is personal. He has a smug, cavalier attitude. Plus, I am what you call a mans man. Mo wears a scarf and a sweater around his shoulders. Nuff said.

A scarf and sweater around the shoulders have nothing to do with being a man’s man or not.

Yes it does. In my world. Not sure what world you live in. A troll one is all I know for sure.

Seems like you live in a pretty small world. I have no love for John Mozeliak but not because he's not a "man's man." What is a "man's man," anyway?

A man who looks like a biker with lots of tattoos

Sure, I guess. Some people are really insecure.