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1_12_1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:56 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:41 am Big fan of L. Brock but A. Pujols absolutely goes ahead of Lou.

Stan the Man---Hornsby---Gibby---Albert

Outside of the Yankees, not sure another franchise can match that quartet.

Stan, Hornsby, Gibson, Albert, Ozzie, Lou, Medwick, ....the rest of the HOFers, and red jackets.

Only the Yankees can beat that Cardinals Top 4 "Murder's Row":

Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle..........Dickey, Ford, Mariano, Jeter etal.

Giants come close to matching the Cardinal Top 4 but I still give Cardinals the edge:

Mathewson-Ott-Mays-Marichal

Melville wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm

1_12_1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:55 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:29 am

OldRed wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.

Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.

I hate post like this. Hornsby faced the best players of his era and did things nobody did before or after.

He hit over .400 across a 5 year period.
The greatest accomplishment by any hitter in history.

And he did it with power...

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

In an era NOT known for power too!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:15 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

In an era NOT known for power too!

Absolutely and to hit over .400 over a five year period is mind boggling.

First 11 full MLB seasons:

Hornsby
6559 PA's
2069 Hits
191 HR
1047 RBI
.360 .428 .573 1.001
179 OPS+

Musial
7404 PA
2203 Hits
256 HR
1120 RBI
.345 .432 .582 1.014
172 OPS+

Albert
7433 PA
2073 Hits
445 HR
1329 RBI
.328 .420 .617 1.037
170 OPS+

And now the GOAT's first 11 seasons as a FT hitter, The Babe:
6771 PA
1873 Hits
496 HR
1451 RBI
.352 .485 .733 1.218
216 OPS+

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:03 pm

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:22 am Who are you surprised that's not on this list? Ted Simmons maybe? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ra ... b8b7&ei=11

It's a stupid list. Purposely stupid.

Where is Dizzy Dean? Joe Medwick? Simmons & Yadi? And I love Brock, but he was nowhere near the player Albert was. And Flood was a childhood favorite, but he doesn't belong on this list. Edmonds was better. Boyer may just be my All Time favorite, but he doesn't belong here either.

Clearly, the correct order is:
1. Musial
2. Hornsby
BIG GAP
3. Gibson
4. Brock
5. Smith
6. Pujols
BIG GAP
7-8-9-10 could be populated by choosing four from a group of a ten or more: Boyer, Slaughter, Simmons, Dean, Medwick, Mize, McGwire, Flood, Bottomley, Frisch, etc...

Pujols gets the short stick on this forum, I vote him number 1, Hornsby 2 and Musial 3 strictly from a winning type player


Curious, How many World Series did Stan and Hornsby win

hmoss859 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 13:06 pm Pujols gets the short stick on this forum, I vote him number 1, Hornsby 2 and Musial 3 strictly from a winning type player


Curious, How many World Series did Stan and Hornsby win

Stan won 3: 42,44, and 46. Hornsby only 1: 26

My top ten in order:
Stan the Man
Hornsby
Albert
Gibby
Brock
Ozzie
Boyer
Medwick
Dizzy
Simba

hmoss859 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 13:06 pm Pujols gets the short stick on this forum, I vote him number 1, Hornsby 2 and Musial 3 strictly from a winning type player


Curious, How many World Series did Stan and Hornsby win

Stan on 3 WS Champs

Hornsby 1 WS Championship

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

That's phenomenal, indeed. Were Ted Williams' top five year averages in these categories about as close to Hornsby's as any other player in MLB history?

hmoss859 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 13:06 pm Pujols gets the short stick on this forum, I vote him number 1, Hornsby 2 and Musial 3 strictly from a winning type player


Curious, How many World Series did Stan and Hornsby win

Well, Stan won three and Hornsby won 1 (and was the manager to boot).

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 13:55 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

That's phenomenal, indeed. Were Ted Williams' top five year averages in these categories about as close to Hornsby's as any other player in MLB history?

No.

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 13:55 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

That's phenomenal, indeed. Were Ted Williams' top five year averages in these categories about as close to Hornsby's as any other player in MLB history?

Not sure?
Doubtful.
Look it up as I did for Hornsby.

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 14:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 13:55 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

That's phenomenal, indeed. Were Ted Williams' top five year averages in these categories about as close to Hornsby's as any other player in MLB history?

Not sure?
Doubtful.
Look it up as I did for Hornsby.

Sorry, you acted like some sort of a baseball encyclopedia nerd. I overestimated you. lol

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:59 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:29 am

OldRed wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.

Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.

Judge them against their competition.

Hornsby the only player to hit 40 HR while batting .400 in a single season. Hornsby won two Triple Crowns. For 5 straight seasons Hornsby's cumulative BA was .400.

Hornsby remains the greatest RH hitter in MLB history.

You have to because it impossible to compare them....however doesn't mean what he said isn't true...

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:59 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:29 am

OldRed wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.

Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.

Judge them against their competition.

Hornsby the only player to hit 40 HR while batting .400 in a single season. Hornsby won two Triple Crowns. For 5 straight seasons Hornsby's cumulative BA was .400.

Hornsby remains the greatest RH hitter in MLB history.

wow i never knew Mays and Aaron batted left handed