FTP HOF Board Broberg/Holloway thread

[TheJackBurton]

This is absolute cope

I was always a fan of Broberg but I'm not claiming special insight. I'll say this too. We probably don't get Walman if we kept Broberg. Walman might be better this season.

Also we are a playoff focused team. Jeff Skinner and Arvidsson have a chance to prove their worth

these are the same 'fans' that said Broberg would be a 6/7 dman and Holloway would be lucky to get reg 4th line mins.. and both should be grateful to get their minimum contracts

careful whatcha wish for

I'll say Walman is having a better offensive year than I thought, but still there's no way if I have the option of the two I'm taking Walman over Broberg. A 6'3' dman who can skate like the wind, makes a great first pass, and has a plus shot is not someone I would pick over a dman who has been on 3 teams in one year.

[moose-and-squirrel]

This is absolute cope

I was always a fan of Broberg but I'm not claiming special insight. I'll say this too. We probably don't get Walman if we kept Broberg. Walman might be better this season.

Also we are a playoff focused team. Jeff Skinner and Arvidsson have a chance to prove their worth

these are the same 'fans' that said Broberg would be a 6/7 dman and Holloway would be lucky to get reg 4th line mins.. and both should be grateful to get their minimum contracts

careful whatcha wish for

I'll say Walman is having a better offensive year than I thought, but still there's no way if I have the option of the two I'm taking Walman over Broberg. A 6'3' dman who can skate like the wind, makes a great first pass, and has a plus shot is not someone I would pick over a dman who has been on 3 teams in one year.

oh, def agree. take Broberg every day and twice on sunday.. Walman seems to have finally found his game, but it took him what? 8yrs??

[dhsux]

This is absolute cope

I was always a fan of Broberg but I'm not claiming special insight. I'll say this too. We probably don't get Walman if we kept Broberg. Walman might be better this season.

Also we are a playoff focused team. Jeff Skinner and Arvidsson have a chance to prove their worth

these are the same 'fans' that said Broberg would be a 6/7 dman and Holloway would be lucky to get reg 4th line mins.. and both should be grateful to get their minimum contracts

careful whatcha wish for

I'll say Walman is having a better offensive year than I thought, but still there's no way if I have the option of the two I'm taking Walman over Broberg. A 6'3' dman who can skate like the wind, makes a great first pass, and has a plus shot is not someone I would pick over a dman who has been on 3 teams in one year.

oh, def agree. take Broberg every day and twice on sunday.. Walman seems to have finally found his game, but it took him what? 8yrs??

To be fair about it there were a number of their fans on the board who knew they should have matched Holloway and knew they totally messed up with handling Broberg as they sat and watched losing him.

[a smell of green grass]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

If the team keeps playing this way and makes the playoffs UFA signing is more plausible although also usually more expensive and will involve some NTC years.
I can't see the team landing another Broberg or Holloway via offer sheet but you never know.
The team needs to continue to draft well.
They need to develop those players and be willing to package them and trade them.
Bolduc for example has much more trade value right now than at any other time since drafted.
Broberg the team still doesn't know what his ceiling is yet. Probably depends if he ends up running a PP.
If he does and turns into a 40-50 point D that is a good PP quarterback then they probably need another RD thats a top 4 talent.
IF Dalibor Dvorsky plays 3C next year and looks like hes going to develop into a legit 2C than the team doesn't need too much.
If he doesn't than they need to trade for a 2C.
I personally would have looked into Dylan Cozens.
Via a trade I'm guessing you're looking at a Jeff Chychrun type player or Hampus Lindholm.
Or a more recent example might be Travis Sanheim had the trade went through.
I think the first upgrade will be the Blues looking to upgrade Justin Faulk.
Sunny and Faska are the other two positions but that might be internal replacements over the next two years.
Blues have a wealth of solid LW depth and LD depth which I would think at some point will supply a trade.

Thanks for the reply.
I just dont see where Armstrong drafts well. He is average at best. Army selecting 18 or after is a complete disaster.

[netboy65]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

If the team keeps playing this way and makes the playoffs UFA signing is more plausible although also usually more expensive and will involve some NTC years.
I can't see the team landing another Broberg or Holloway via offer sheet but you never know.
The team needs to continue to draft well.
They need to develop those players and be willing to package them and trade them.
Bolduc for example has much more trade value right now than at any other time since drafted.
Broberg the team still doesn't know what his ceiling is yet. Probably depends if he ends up running a PP.
If he does and turns into a 40-50 point D that is a good PP quarterback then they probably need another RD thats a top 4 talent.
IF Dalibor Dvorsky plays 3C next year and looks like hes going to develop into a legit 2C than the team doesn't need too much.
If he doesn't than they need to trade for a 2C.
I personally would have looked into Dylan Cozens.
Via a trade I'm guessing you're looking at a Jeff Chychrun type player or Hampus Lindholm.
Or a more recent example might be Travis Sanheim had the trade went through.
I think the first upgrade will be the Blues looking to upgrade Justin Faulk.
Sunny and Faska are the other two positions but that might be internal replacements over the next two years.
Blues have a wealth of solid LW depth and LD depth which I would think at some point will supply a trade.

Thanks for the reply.
I just dont see where Armstrong drafts well. He is average at best. Army selecting 18 or after is a complete disaster.

Robert Thomas and Jake Neighbours say hello

[wiscrev]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

If the team keeps playing this way and makes the playoffs UFA signing is more plausible although also usually more expensive and will involve some NTC years.
I can't see the team landing another Broberg or Holloway via offer sheet but you never know.
The team needs to continue to draft well.
They need to develop those players and be willing to package them and trade them.
Bolduc for example has much more trade value right now than at any other time since drafted.
Broberg the team still doesn't know what his ceiling is yet. Probably depends if he ends up running a PP.
If he does and turns into a 40-50 point D that is a good PP quarterback then they probably need another RD thats a top 4 talent.
IF Dalibor Dvorsky plays 3C next year and looks like hes going to develop into a legit 2C than the team doesn't need too much.
If he doesn't than they need to trade for a 2C.
I personally would have looked into Dylan Cozens.
Via a trade I'm guessing you're looking at a Jeff Chychrun type player or Hampus Lindholm.
Or a more recent example might be Travis Sanheim had the trade went through.
I think the first upgrade will be the Blues looking to upgrade Justin Faulk.
Sunny and Faska are the other two positions but that might be internal replacements over the next two years.
Blues have a wealth of solid LW depth and LD depth which I would think at some point will supply a trade.

Thanks for the reply.
I just dont see where Armstrong drafts well. He is average at best. Army selecting 18 or after is a complete disaster.

Robert Thomas and Jake Neighbours say hello

Our resident Karen, or as I now call him as a favor to Walker, "Shelia," has no reading retention. He just spouts off anything and everything no matter what. Plus, he's no Blues fan.

[somni]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

If the team keeps playing this way and makes the playoffs UFA signing is more plausible although also usually more expensive and will involve some NTC years.
I can't see the team landing another Broberg or Holloway via offer sheet but you never know.
The team needs to continue to draft well.
They need to develop those players and be willing to package them and trade them.
Bolduc for example has much more trade value right now than at any other time since drafted.
Broberg the team still doesn't know what his ceiling is yet. Probably depends if he ends up running a PP.
If he does and turns into a 40-50 point D that is a good PP quarterback then they probably need another RD thats a top 4 talent.
IF Dalibor Dvorsky plays 3C next year and looks like hes going to develop into a legit 2C than the team doesn't need too much.
If he doesn't than they need to trade for a 2C.
I personally would have looked into Dylan Cozens.
Via a trade I'm guessing you're looking at a Jeff Chychrun type player or Hampus Lindholm.
Or a more recent example might be Travis Sanheim had the trade went through.
I think the first upgrade will be the Blues looking to upgrade Justin Faulk.
Sunny and Faska are the other two positions but that might be internal replacements over the next two years.
Blues have a wealth of solid LW depth and LD depth which I would think at some point will supply a trade.

Thanks for the reply.
I just dont see where Armstrong drafts well. He is average at best. Army selecting 18 or after is a complete disaster.

Robert Thomas and Jake Neighbours say hello

Kyrou, Tage Thompson, Hofer, Vince Dunn, Parayko...oh Binnington. And on and on.

[Incidentalist]

Ivan Barbashev is another prominent one.

Players who were taken later that are still relevant in the league: Niko Mikkola, Joel Edmundson, Jake Walman

Which GMs have shown the ability to consistently find good players with picks past the top 18? Consistently. Teams have certainly gotten lucky in the past. Zetterberg is one of the best examples. He was a 7th rounder. If Detroit knew he was going to end up being as good as he was, they wouldn't have passed over him multiple times in that draft. Go ahead, look at the players they selected before Henrik and tell me if you'd ever seen those names before. It was luck. It happens. Parayko is the perfect example for the Blues, we definitely got lucky with Colton. But a lot of our best players were taken with the first pick we had that year whether late first round or early second round. I think Armstrong and Co. have shown a history of drafting very well late in the first round and early in the second round consistently. Dallas seems to have a strong record as well, but show me what other GMs out there are getting legit NHL talent consistently in the second round. Only 34% of second round even end up making it to the NHL, much less having careers spanning multiple years.

[dhsux]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

If the team keeps playing this way and makes the playoffs UFA signing is more plausible although also usually more expensive and will involve some NTC years.
I can't see the team landing another Broberg or Holloway via offer sheet but you never know.
The team needs to continue to draft well.
They need to develop those players and be willing to package them and trade them.
Bolduc for example has much more trade value right now than at any other time since drafted.
Broberg the team still doesn't know what his ceiling is yet. Probably depends if he ends up running a PP.
If he does and turns into a 40-50 point D that is a good PP quarterback then they probably need another RD thats a top 4 talent.
IF Dalibor Dvorsky plays 3C next year and looks like hes going to develop into a legit 2C than the team doesn't need too much.
If he doesn't than they need to trade for a 2C.
I personally would have looked into Dylan Cozens.
Via a trade I'm guessing you're looking at a Jeff Chychrun type player or Hampus Lindholm.
Or a more recent example might be Travis Sanheim had the trade went through.
I think the first upgrade will be the Blues looking to upgrade Justin Faulk.
Sunny and Faska are the other two positions but that might be internal replacements over the next two years.
Blues have a wealth of solid LW depth and LD depth which I would think at some point will supply a trade.

Thanks for the reply.
I just dont see where Armstrong drafts well. He is average at best. Army selecting 18 or after is a complete disaster.

Robert Thomas and Jake Neighbours say hello

Kyrou, Tage Thompson, Hofer, Vince Dunn, Parayko...oh Binnington. And on and on.

No doubt something smells alright.......

[TheJackBurton]

Ivan Barbashev is another prominent one.

Players who were taken later that are still relevant in the league: Niko Mikkola, Joel Edmundson, Jake Walman

Which GMs have shown the ability to consistently find good players with picks past the top 18? Consistently. Teams have certainly gotten lucky in the past. Zetterberg is one of the best examples. He was a 7th rounder. If Detroit knew he was going to end up being as good as he was, they wouldn't have passed over him multiple times in that draft. Go ahead, look at the players they selected before Henrik and tell me if you'd ever seen those names before. It was luck. It happens. Parayko is the perfect example for the Blues, we definitely got lucky with Colton. But a lot of our best players were taken with the first pick we had that year whether late first round or early second round. I think Armstrong and Co. have shown a history of drafting very well late in the first round and early in the second round consistently. Dallas seems to have a strong record as well, but show me what other GMs out there are getting legit NHL talent consistently in the second round. Only 34% of second round even end up making it to the NHL, much less having careers spanning multiple years.

Parayko wasn't a lucky pick though. They scouted him regularly and even hid the fact they were scouting him so that they knew he would be there in the 3rd round.

Binnington on the other hand even if you thought he'd be #1 someday there's no way anyone thought he'd be this.