FTP HOF Board Broberg/Holloway thread

[George Zipp]

https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/the ... d.2978589/

Credit to all the FTP thread starters here. I spent some time at lunch looking at various posts on this 59 page thread. Really funny to glance at the early posts and then the posts from page 57 up

In the words of Kenny Bana “it’s gold Jerry, gold”

[2airj3]

I like this one….

“meh, Holloway will max out as a 15-20 goal guy, maybe 40-50 points I think
I love his speed but he won't provide much offense IMO”

[WeWentBlues0819]

I like this one….

“meh, Holloway will max out as a 15-20 goal guy, maybe 40-50 points I think
I love his speed but he won't provide much offense IMO”

In fairness, we all kind of thought that. Broberg seemed like the big get. I don't think anyone truly knew what we had in Holloway.

[a smell of green grass]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

[netboy65]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

Yep, we blew it. Winning the Cup in ‘19 we could have had a high pick and that guy would be coming into his prime about now. What were we thinking???
Do you hear yourself?

[DawgDad]

I like this one….

“meh, Holloway will max out as a 15-20 goal guy, maybe 40-50 points I think
I love his speed but he won't provide much offense IMO”

In fairness, we all kind of thought that. Broberg seemed like the big get. I don't think anyone truly knew what we had in Holloway.

Be careful how you use "we", even rhetorically. "We" did not think that. After watching the Offer sheet boys in the playoffs, even in limited ice time, I was pretty high on them.

[Sudsy 11]

I like this one….

“meh, Holloway will max out as a 15-20 goal guy, maybe 40-50 points I think
I love his speed but he won't provide much offense IMO”

In fairness, we all kind of thought that. Broberg seemed like the big get. I don't think anyone truly knew what we had in Holloway.

Be careful how you use "we", even rhetorically. "We" did not think that. After watching the Offer sheet boys in the playoffs, even in limited ice time, I was pretty high on them.

Agreed. Broberg and Holloway were two of the better players on the ice in the Stanley Cup Finals last year. I understand the Oilers letting Broberg go with the offer sheet based on their salary cap issues and Broberg no longer wanting to be part of the organization. However, it never made sense for them to not match the offer sheet for Holloway at 2.2 mill per year. Whoever you get to take his roster spot will cost at least a million. You have to find that extra million + somehow to keep him. Thankfully, they chose not to match.

[2airj3]

I like this one….

“meh, Holloway will max out as a 15-20 goal guy, maybe 40-50 points I think
I love his speed but he won't provide much offense IMO”

In fairness, we all kind of thought that. Broberg seemed like the big get. I don't think anyone truly knew what we had in Holloway.

Yeah I hear ya. I was optimistically hoping for more than a 20 goal scorer at his max.
I just think that no matter what some of us expected or hoped for, it’s so awesome to see those 2 have the success they are having.

[Harold_Melvin]

I didn't watch very much of the cup finals last year. Admittedly I'm just a fan...so I'm usually busy with other things when I'm "watching" a game that I'm not fully invested in. Holloway and Broberg weren't on my radar at all before the offer sheets. After reading the assessments from the people on this forum who I respect...AND watching them play early in the season I became aware of what Edmonton was hiding. I can't imagine what it feels like to be held back like that. It's no wonder they signed with the Blues. Meanwhile there was full court press from the typical trolls on this board dismissing the offer sheet boys. So yeah...I'm board. The actual get is way better than I imagined. Holloway and Broberg are playing with a chip on their shoulder every night!

[SRV1990]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

Yep, we blew it. Winning the Cup in ‘19 we could have had a high pick and that guy would be coming into his prime about now. What were we thinking???
Do you hear yourself?

There's no way he hears what he's saying. I can't imagine being so hell-bent on the team being terrible just to get top 5 draft picks. Where does it end? A team is terrible and drafts high. Said high picks take time to arrive, and if they don't develop into stars, the losing continues. We continue to get high picks. No guarantee those actually pan out. So more losing. How long will fans accept a team that's terrible? Five years? Ten years? It's mind numbing how little he understands about the game.

[Bluesfan1978]

Sincere question for the fans that wave their hands over their pants, not pom poms over their skirt.

Broberg and Holloway entered the NHL via high draft picks. The Blues need more like them.

How do you foresee that the Blues will acquire more like them?

That is the question that should be asked around these parts.

If the team keeps playing this way and makes the playoffs UFA signing is more plausible although also usually more expensive and will involve some NTC years.
I can't see the team landing another Broberg or Holloway via offer sheet but you never know.
The team needs to continue to draft well.
They need to develop those players and be willing to package them and trade them.
Bolduc for example has much more trade value right now than at any other time since drafted.
Broberg the team still doesn't know what his ceiling is yet. Probably depends if he ends up running a PP.
If he does and turns into a 40-50 point D that is a good PP quarterback then they probably need another RD thats a top 4 talent.
IF Dalibor Dvorsky plays 3C next year and looks like hes going to develop into a legit 2C than the team doesn't need too much.
If he doesn't than they need to trade for a 2C.
I personally would have looked into Dylan Cozens.
Via a trade I'm guessing you're looking at a Jeff Chychrun type player or Hampus Lindholm.
Or a more recent example might be Travis Sanheim had the trade went through.
I think the first upgrade will be the Blues looking to upgrade Justin Faulk.
Sunny and Faska are the other two positions but that might be internal replacements over the next two years.
Blues have a wealth of solid LW depth and LD depth which I would think at some point will supply a trade.

[dhsux]

That thread had finally died down to page 2 level but has reared its ugly head since the recent scoring of the 2 players.

Broberg is going to be a top pairing D man that could be playing 20 min a night for them right now.. Holloway has outscored the 3 players (totals) they brought in for their big Cup run.

It's a huge fiasco, complete mismanagement with long term ramifications.

I'd be pizzzzed too but fortunately the Blues have one of the best GMS in the league.....so I'm quite happy.

[britishblue]

I was reading that at the start of the year, glad its popped back up again.

They basically need to win the cup this year to make up for the offer sheet fiasco.

You have to think with Holloway it was a combo of:
a) seeing limited ice time for him based on the vets they jad signed.
b) not wanting to set a precedent for future RFAs.
c) bad talent evaluation.

Broberg i get as the contract value was v high, a gamble tjat absolutely paid off for us, but one you dont take if you are a capped out contender.

[Natl20]

That thread had finally died down to page 2 level but has reared its ugly head since the recent scoring of the 2 players.

Broberg is going to be a top pairing D man that could be playing 20 min a night for them right now.. Holloway has outscored the 3 players (totals) they brought in for their big Cup run.

It's a huge fiasco, complete mismanagement with long term ramifications.

I'd be pizzzzed too but fortunately the Blues have one of the best GMS in the league.....so I'm quite happy.

Are you shocked? The same idiot running them who couldn't figure out cap/contracts with the blackhawks.

Yes he looked great drafting top 5 every year with 10 guys on entry level contracts but when it came time to do math he failed miserably.

Much like his counterpart Theo Epstein who everyone thought was a genius with the Cubs. A monkey could make good draft picks picking every year in the top 5, when it came time to do they dirty work he bolted out of town like it was the great chicago fire.

[TheJackBurton]

This is absolute cope

I was always a fan of Broberg but I'm not claiming special insight. I'll say this too. We probably don't get Walman if we kept Broberg. Walman might be better this season.

Also we are a playoff focused team. Jeff Skinner and Arvidsson have a chance to prove their worth

[moose-and-squirrel]

This is absolute cope

I was always a fan of Broberg but I'm not claiming special insight. I'll say this too. We probably don't get Walman if we kept Broberg. Walman might be better this season.

Also we are a playoff focused team. Jeff Skinner and Arvidsson have a chance to prove their worth

these are the same 'fans' that said Broberg would be a 6/7 dman and Holloway would be lucky to get reg 4th line mins.. and both should be grateful to get their minimum contracts

careful whatcha wish for