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Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:24 pm
by dugoutrex
stlbirdlover wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:45 pm
Midrange Jay wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:01 pm
Got to get that payroll back below $30 million, with the May signing.
I hope the attendance goes below 2 mil.
I sure as heck won't be attending any games to see this tank
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:34 pm
by Melville
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:36 pm
Melville wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:08 pm
Web7 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:00 pm
I mean we already didn’t have any RH bats and now we lose our best one? Lol
This is about moving Herrera to 1B.
Probably more Burleson to first
Burleson can already play first.
This is about adding a RH to the mix in replacement of Herrera.
Unless, of course, the Donovan deal is done and yet another 1B is headed to STL.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:37 pm
by Bushiro
Man Contreras got paid an extra million dollars to say yes!!...that's a million dollars a second ....darn good money
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:47 pm
by BleedingBleu
Melville wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:34 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:36 pm
Melville wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:08 pm
Web7 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:00 pm
I mean we already didn’t have any RH bats and now we lose our best one? Lol
This is about moving Herrera to 1B.
Probably more Burleson to first
Burleson can already play first.
This is about adding a RH to the mix in replacement of Herrera.
Unless, of course, the Donovan deal is done and yet another 1B is headed to STL.
Hopefully it’s an OFer or 3B like Colt Emerson.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:47 pm
by Goldfan
Just don’t call this a salary dump
This team may have 80mil payroll next season…..but its not a salary dump
We’ve gotten back FINE middling prospects
We’re rebuilding
“What can you expect from players that NOONE wants and don’t have much value”….”these middling prospects are all we could EVER expect to get in return……but we’re “rebuilding”
Let’s see…..start with more expensive middling talent……trade for cheap younger middling talent…..some posters think that’s “rebuilding”
At some point elite talent will need to be acquired, can someone let me know how that will be accomplished?
I clearly see the salary dumping portion of this rebuild I just don’t see the young Elite talent acquisition part of this rebuild
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:51 pm
by DewittDaman11
Love this deal, particularly Fajardo. When you can cherry pick an international player after they show 2 or 3 seasons of performance, it sure beats the total crapshoot of the usual system of drafting internationally. This seems like a great way to stock the lower minors with some needed arms, especially as the upper minors are pretty full. Keep em comin!
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:57 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:47 pm
Just don’t call this a salary dump
This team may have 80mil payroll next season…..but its not a salary dump
We’ve gotten back FINE middling prospects
We’re rebuilding
“What can you expect from players that NOONE wants and don’t have much value”….”these middling prospects are all we could EVER expect to get in return……but we’re “rebuilding”
Let’s see…..start with more expensive middling talent……trade for cheap younger middling talent…..some posters think that’s “rebuilding”
At some point elite talent will need to be acquired, can someone let me know how that will be accomplished?
I clearly see the salary dumping portion of this rebuild I just don’t see the young Elite talent acquisition part of this rebuild
Stay tuned if you thought the rebuild would be completed in two months you’re a bigger idiot than I already thought you were
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:59 pm
by Cusecards
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:57 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:47 pm
Just don’t call this a salary dump
This team may have 80mil payroll next season…..but its not a salary dump
We’ve gotten back FINE middling prospects
We’re rebuilding
“What can you expect from players that NOONE wants and don’t have much value”….”these middling prospects are all we could EVER expect to get in return……but we’re “rebuilding”
Let’s see…..start with more expensive middling talent……trade for cheap younger middling talent…..some posters think that’s “rebuilding”
At some point elite talent will need to be acquired, can someone let me know how that will be accomplished?
I clearly see the salary dumping portion of this rebuild I just don’t see the young Elite talent acquisition part of this rebuild
Stay tuned if you thought the rebuild would be completed in two months you’re a bigger idiot than I already thought you were
That’s our boy PG!!!!!!!

Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:04 pm
by Goldfan
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:57 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:47 pm
Just don’t call this a salary dump
This team may have 80mil payroll next season…..but its not a salary dump
We’ve gotten back FINE middling prospects
We’re rebuilding
“What can you expect from players that NOONE wants and don’t have much value”….”these middling prospects are all we could EVER expect to get in return……but we’re “rebuilding”
Let’s see…..start with more expensive middling talent……trade for cheap younger middling talent…..some posters think that’s “rebuilding”
At some point elite talent will need to be acquired, can someone let me know how that will be accomplished?
I clearly see the salary dumping portion of this rebuild I just don’t see the young Elite talent acquisition part of this rebuild
Stay tuned if you thought the rebuild would be completed in two months you’re a bigger idiot than I already thought you were
When do you expect this “rebuild” to be complete? Just curious, how low will payroll have to go so we can safely call this a Salary Dump exercise?
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:12 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 22:04 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:57 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:47 pm
Just don’t call this a salary dump
This team may have 80mil payroll next season…..but its not a salary dump
We’ve gotten back FINE middling prospects
We’re rebuilding
“What can you expect from players that NOONE wants and don’t have much value”….”these middling prospects are all we could EVER expect to get in return……but we’re “rebuilding”
Let’s see…..start with more expensive middling talent……trade for cheap younger middling talent…..some posters think that’s “rebuilding”
At some point elite talent will need to be acquired, can someone let me know how that will be accomplished?
I clearly see the salary dumping portion of this rebuild I just don’t see the young Elite talent acquisition part of this rebuild
Stay tuned if you thought the rebuild would be completed in two months you’re a bigger idiot than I already thought you were
When do you expect this “rebuild” to be complete? Just curious, how low will payroll have to go so we can safely call this a Salary Dump exercise?
If it was just a dump they wouldn’t have paid the money they did to get the prospects back they did. Bloom said Dewitt agreed to kick in more money to get better returns for players traded they did that if it was just salary dumps they would have got nothing in return and paid a lot less. If they were just dumping salary they definitely wouldn’t have signed may for 12 million or sign the other players they will definitely sign before the offseason is over. The rebuild I figure will be completed and Cards back in it in 2028 but with how bloom is going about it stockpiling starters so they aren’t stuck running the same terrible starters out there start after start like last season because they had no depth it could be sooner
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
by icon
Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:38 pm
by Goldfan
icon wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.
Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:40 pm
by ecleme22
Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 22:38 pm
icon wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.
Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….
There was a different POBO
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:44 pm
by kyace
Listening and reading what BoSox fans are saying. Prospect followers are unhappy with dealing Fajardo. Just turned 19 and at 6’3” hitting 97 with control. The other minor league pitcher also has some upside. The key is to build up the minor league pipeline with pitching prospects as the more you get the greater the odds several develop into good mlb pitchers.
That is the way you have to go unless you are a major market team that can spend over $100 million on a good starter.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm
by DewittDaman11
kyace wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 22:44 pm
Listening and reading what BoSox fans are saying. Prospect followers are unhappy with dealing Fajardo. Just turned 19 and at 6’3” hitting 97 with control. The other minor league pitcher also has some upside. The key is to build up the minor league pipeline with pitching prospects as the more you get the greater the odds several develop into good mlb pitchers.
That is the way you have to go unless you are a major market team that can spend over $100 million on a good starter.
+1000
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 22:57 pm
by Hoosier59
I just read where Dobbins won’t be ready by Spring. He will still be rehabilitating his 2nd torn ACL. In that report it also stated hes already had Tommy John surgery. Bloom has stated he is seeking an innings eating starter, so evidently at least one more starter is still to be acquired.