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OldRed wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:10 pm

Melville wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 12:23 pm

Melville wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 11:47 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:48 am

Melville wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:42 am The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

Yes, he strikes out too much.
(He also draws walks at higher rate than anyone on the team).
All that aside is, production is what wins or loses games and that will be true as long as games are decided by which side touches home plate more.
Reality, even with the flaws in his game, Gorman has a proven track record.
Give him 600 PA's and he will produce 80+ RBI and 80 runs scored.
That is a fact.
The team has no other 2b/3b who can do so.
That is also a fact.
Zero question he must be retained until such time as a better option is proven.

Between injury, inability to hit left handers, and general extreme steakiness, it takes nearly two seasons to get 600 PA. So while your statement is generally true- what the team gets is more like 40 RBI's and runs scored per season.

Opinions are fine.
Facts are much better.
Against LH pitching Gorman was .220/.301/439/.740 with 5 HR and 17 RBI in 93 PA's.
That is excellent work for a LH bat.
And it was far better than Nootbaar.
And far better than Scott.
And...wait for it....far better than Burleson.
And far better than RH hitting Saggese against LH pitching.

Give it up... you don't know [shirt].

You object to facts?
Interesting.
Here is one that is really going to tie you up in knots.
Gorman was more productive against LHP than Herrera was against RHP.
Again, no conclusion, no opinions, just reporting the data factually.
Talkin'' made a claim completely at odds with the facts.

hmoss859 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:13 pm Gotta let your Gorman bro crush go

He is a subpar defender, baserunners runner and whiffs ways too much

Has hit nearly 1500 MLB plate appearances so it’s not a small sample size

Never for or against any player.
Completely free of bias and agenda at all times.
Talkin'' made a claim completely at odds with the facts.
Odd that when I set the record straight, you object to facts.
Interesting.
Here is one that is really going to tie you up in knots.
Gorman was more productive against LHP than Herrera was against RHP.
Again, no conclusion, no opinions, just reporting the data factually.

Melville wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:31 pm
Gorman was more productive against LHP than Herrera was against RHP.
Again, no conclusion, no opinions, just reporting the data factually.

Why would you even try to find such an obtuse stat, especially when it's not necessarily true? Oh, maybe you've said that Herrera is "just isn't very good" while telling us all Gorman is a unicorn!

First, Herrera's OPS was higher vs RHP (.741) than Gorman's (.740) vs lefties. So IV's hitting it slightly better than NG against same-side pitching, and the corresponding runs/PA and RBI/PA are statistically insignificant. And Herrera had an incredible 1.115 vs LHP in 124 PAs while Gorman had a .644 OPS vs RHP.
Second, Gorman didn't face all lefties - only the ones they thought he could have a chance.
Third, Gorman had a 27% K-rate vs LHP. No strikeout is productive.

And is this some a*s-backwards way of trying to say Gorman is productive? He's not. He has been productively worse in the last 3 seasons, despite getting over 400 PAs.