The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

[riff raff]

Oli's salary is a drop in the bucket. I mean it's nothing. Thinking otherwise is delusional.
Oli is here because Bloom made the decision to retain him. He wasn't forced to, and it isn't a money matter.

Would you begin your legacy with a lame duck manager who hasn’t accomplished anything and hasn’t lead his team to a single playoff series win?

The argument other than being cheap is because they don’t plan on being competitive and Marmol doesn’t care because it’s the only manager job he can get. You’re delusional if you think he’s being retained due to potential and leadership ability.

I didn't say one thing about potential and leadership. Those are your words not mine.
My statement still stands.

My mistake then. Your defense of keeping him seemed like you are supportive of the move. If that is true, then do you not believe he’s a good leader with potential?

A year or two ago I would be against keeping Oli, but he seems to be much improved so I'm basically neutral on the subject.
I will say the days of the Bochy type managers are getting more infrequent. Even Bernie the bloviator gave Oli a full show of support this week on KMOX. The times are a changing, and the old school is being replaced by the new school.

[renostl]

Exactly.
It CAN be done.
It isn't that much of a heavy lift.
Simply requires making the right decisions as to who to trade in order to fill 3 very specific needs for a brief 2-year period.

How many games over .500 would they have to be to add? Mozeliak said publicly he wanted to add. Bloom disagreed and they were 11 games under .500 after the all star break.

Maybe the master plan will work out but early results are not impressive.

STL controlled a W/C spot in July of last year and again this year.
They collapsed both times.
The team is absolutely horrendous at understanding fundamentals and even worse at executing them.
That is 100% on the shoulders of The Marmot and staff.
With a competent manager, they almost certainly would have eked into a W/C spot.
Regrettably, Bloom has made his first major mistake in retaining The Marmot for next year.
Let's hope he is better at roster construction.
That should be very easy for him to do.
After all, I have provided the perfect blueprint.

You understand that most are not Marmol fans.

In an attempt to find a silver lining in something we have zero control over.
He is not alfa material.
You've seen companies where the right- and left-hand people are the
more influential people in the day-to-day operations of the company.

Bloom should provide an improved roster mix, difficult to not improve.
He also should be giving a subordinate a direction that he wants followed.
Oli will follow as he followed MO's direction.
A stronger mix in the assistant coaches could improve the preparation and
in game strategy. Bloom has said the on field this has not worked itself out yet.

All I got, but I have seen it and been a part of it. The manger is a conduit from
the FO.

Your conclusion is correct and concerning.
The Marmot is not a strong leader (although he is highly skilled at comically starting at home plate umpires who ignore him as they would a house fly).
His staff does not show results on the field.
And that is a real problem since, as pointed out with your well-turned phrase, the manager is indeed a conduit from the front office.
Retaining The Marmot suggests that he and Bloom are on the same page - and if that is true it spells disaster for 2026.
My perfect plan can only solve the roster construction issue - but if the Bloom & Marmot marriage is no different than the TOXIC "sustainable mediocrity" goal shared by Super Slo Mo & Marmot, then not much will change.
Maintaining current staff means Bloom has embraced the status quo.
Massive blunder on his part in so many ways.

Possibly, but not probable.

Bloom and MO having the same message and with the
same roster building techniques would indeed have similar
results.

I really do not expect that.

The qualities Bloom may see in Oli (cough) may include
Oli doing as told, IF not he's a mid-season termination.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Oli's salary is a drop in the bucket. I mean it's nothing. Thinking otherwise is delusional.
Oli is here because Bloom made the decision to retain him. He wasn't forced to, and it isn't a money matter.

Would you begin your legacy with a lame duck manager who hasn’t accomplished anything and hasn’t lead his team to a single playoff series win?

The argument other than being cheap is because they don’t plan on being competitive and Marmol doesn’t care because it’s the only manager job he can get. You’re delusional if you think he’s being retained due to potential and leadership ability.

I didn't say one thing about potential and leadership. Those are your words not mine.
My statement still stands.

My mistake then. Your defense of keeping him seemed like you are supportive of the move. If that is true, then do you not believe he’s a good leader with potential?

A year or two ago I would be against keeping Oli, but he seems to be much improved so I'm basically neutral on the subject.
I will say the days of the Bochy type managers are getting more infrequent. Even Bernie the bloviator gave Oli a full show of support this week on KMOX. The times are a changing, and the old school is being replaced by the new school.

Sounds about right unfortunately. At least he did show some improvements. I could complain some more, but like everyone else, I’ll still be watching anyway so might as well move past it. I might jump on and off the bandwagon at times, but they’ll still my team so I won’t be rooting against the guy.

[Melville]

Exactly.
It CAN be done.
It isn't that much of a heavy lift.
Simply requires making the right decisions as to who to trade in order to fill 3 very specific needs for a brief 2-year period.

How many games over .500 would they have to be to add? Mozeliak said publicly he wanted to add. Bloom disagreed and they were 11 games under .500 after the all star break.

Maybe the master plan will work out but early results are not impressive.

STL controlled a W/C spot in July of last year and again this year.
They collapsed both times.
The team is absolutely horrendous at understanding fundamentals and even worse at executing them.
That is 100% on the shoulders of The Marmot and staff.
With a competent manager, they almost certainly would have eked into a W/C spot.
Regrettably, Bloom has made his first major mistake in retaining The Marmot for next year.
Let's hope he is better at roster construction.
That should be very easy for him to do.
After all, I have provided the perfect blueprint.

You understand that most are not Marmol fans.

In an attempt to find a silver lining in something we have zero control over.
He is not alfa material.
You've seen companies where the right- and left-hand people are the
more influential people in the day-to-day operations of the company.

Bloom should provide an improved roster mix, difficult to not improve.
He also should be giving a subordinate a direction that he wants followed.
Oli will follow as he followed MO's direction.
A stronger mix in the assistant coaches could improve the preparation and
in game strategy. Bloom has said the on field this has not worked itself out yet.

All I got, but I have seen it and been a part of it. The manger is a conduit from
the FO.

Your conclusion is correct and concerning.
The Marmot is not a strong leader (although he is highly skilled at comically starting at home plate umpires who ignore him as they would a house fly).
His staff does not show results on the field.
And that is a real problem since, as pointed out with your well-turned phrase, the manager is indeed a conduit from the front office.
Retaining The Marmot suggests that he and Bloom are on the same page - and if that is true it spells disaster for 2026.
My perfect plan can only solve the roster construction issue - but if the Bloom & Marmot marriage is no different than the TOXIC "sustainable mediocrity" goal shared by Super Slo Mo & Marmot, then not much will change.
Maintaining current staff means Bloom has embraced the status quo.
Massive blunder on his part in so many ways.

Possibly, but not probable.

Bloom and MO having the same message and with the
same roster building techniques would indeed have similar
results.

I really do not expect that.

The qualities Bloom may see in Oli (cough) may include
Oli doing as told, IF not he's a mid-season termination.

I will grant the 'Oli will do as he is told" point - in fact, that is exactly why I brilliantly branded him as The Marmot since the day he was hired.
Your other point is interesting.
I have seen the "mid-season termination" specter raised by several people.
The common thought seems to be that since The Marmot is under contract for next season, Bloom and DeWitt see little downside to retaining him.
Keep him in place while Bloom further assesses.
What's the harm?
The harm is significant.
One, The Marmot and staff have been horrendous over the past 3 seasons in properly using spring training as a springboard for quality regular season baseball.
It is foolishness to expect anything other than what has already be proven in the past.
Two, the TOXIC CULTURE which began several years ago, and was placed on steroids in 2021/2022, is grounded on the odious acceptance of mediocrity.
Winning is never achieved where is it not the requirement.
Recycling the same losing (literally) formula which informs every single player from the first day of spring training and every single day of the regular season that winning is neither the goal not the expectation is complete idiocy - regardless of whether Bloom shows better roster building judgement than Super Slo Mo possessed.
The return of The Marmot is nothing less than a loud message that losing is acceptable - and every player in the organization heard that message loud and clear this week.
Huge error in judgement on Bloom's part.

[renostl]

Exactly.
It CAN be done.
It isn't that much of a heavy lift.
Simply requires making the right decisions as to who to trade in order to fill 3 very specific needs for a brief 2-year period.

How many games over .500 would they have to be to add? Mozeliak said publicly he wanted to add. Bloom disagreed and they were 11 games under .500 after the all star break.

Maybe the master plan will work out but early results are not impressive.

STL controlled a W/C spot in July of last year and again this year.
They collapsed both times.
The team is absolutely horrendous at understanding fundamentals and even worse at executing them.
That is 100% on the shoulders of The Marmot and staff.
With a competent manager, they almost certainly would have eked into a W/C spot.
Regrettably, Bloom has made his first major mistake in retaining The Marmot for next year.
Let's hope he is better at roster construction.
That should be very easy for him to do.
After all, I have provided the perfect blueprint.

You understand that most are not Marmol fans.

In an attempt to find a silver lining in something we have zero control over.
He is not alfa material.
You've seen companies where the right- and left-hand people are the
more influential people in the day-to-day operations of the company.

Bloom should provide an improved roster mix, difficult to not improve.
He also should be giving a subordinate a direction that he wants followed.
Oli will follow as he followed MO's direction.
A stronger mix in the assistant coaches could improve the preparation and
in game strategy. Bloom has said the on field this has not worked itself out yet.

All I got, but I have seen it and been a part of it. The manger is a conduit from
the FO.

Your conclusion is correct and concerning.
The Marmot is not a strong leader (although he is highly skilled at comically starting at home plate umpires who ignore him as they would a house fly).
His staff does not show results on the field.
And that is a real problem since, as pointed out with your well-turned phrase, the manager is indeed a conduit from the front office.
Retaining The Marmot suggests that he and Bloom are on the same page - and if that is true it spells disaster for 2026.
My perfect plan can only solve the roster construction issue - but if the Bloom & Marmot marriage is no different than the TOXIC "sustainable mediocrity" goal shared by Super Slo Mo & Marmot, then not much will change.
Maintaining current staff means Bloom has embraced the status quo.
Massive blunder on his part in so many ways.

Possibly, but not probable.

Bloom and MO having the same message and with the
same roster building techniques would indeed have similar
results.

I really do not expect that.

The qualities Bloom may see in Oli (cough) may include
Oli doing as told, IF not he's a mid-season termination.

I will grant the 'Oli will do as he is told" point - in fact, that is exactly why I brilliantly branded him as The Marmot since the day he was hired.
Your other point is interesting.
I have seen the "mid-season termination" specter raised by several people.
The common thought seems to be that since The Marmot is under contract for next season, Bloom and DeWitt see little downside to retaining him.
Keep him in place while Bloom further assesses.
What's the harm?
The harm is significant.
One, The Marmot and staff have been horrendous over the past 3 seasons in properly using spring training as a springboard for quality regular season baseball.
It is foolishness to expect anything other than what has already be proven in the past.
Two, the TOXIC CULTURE which began several years ago, and was placed on steroids in 2021/2022, is grounded on the odious acceptance of mediocrity.
Winning is never achieved where is it not the requirement.
Recycling the same losing (literally) formula which informs every single player from the first day of spring training and every single day of the regular season that winning is neither the goal not the expectation is complete idiocy - regardless of whether Bloom shows better roster building judgement than Super Slo Mo possessed.
The return of The Marmot is nothing less than a loud message that losing is acceptable - and every player in the organization heard that message loud and clear this week.
Huge error in judgement on Bloom's part.

I would not keep him. I would like the freshness of starting new.
I also would not replace him with just anybody.
Most importantly I have zero say in the matter and that would be foolish
to think otherwise.

IF the damage is so great that it cannot be reversed, that making a change after a subordinate doesn't produce to my standards
then the Cardinals are in a terrible spot. I'd actually be firing him if done now for doing the standards
of another boss. I also believe that Bloom and Oli have been communicating, and Bloom has as of today is
okay with him, he may not be okay with others, we'll see.

[ClassicO]

Alright Mel. It’s easy to criticize; it’s hard to find solutions.
So, exactly who would you hire as the manager?

[Melville]

Exactly.
It CAN be done.
It isn't that much of a heavy lift.
Simply requires making the right decisions as to who to trade in order to fill 3 very specific needs for a brief 2-year period.

How many games over .500 would they have to be to add? Mozeliak said publicly he wanted to add. Bloom disagreed and they were 11 games under .500 after the all star break.

Maybe the master plan will work out but early results are not impressive.

STL controlled a W/C spot in July of last year and again this year.
They collapsed both times.
The team is absolutely horrendous at understanding fundamentals and even worse at executing them.
That is 100% on the shoulders of The Marmot and staff.
With a competent manager, they almost certainly would have eked into a W/C spot.
Regrettably, Bloom has made his first major mistake in retaining The Marmot for next year.
Let's hope he is better at roster construction.
That should be very easy for him to do.
After all, I have provided the perfect blueprint.

You understand that most are not Marmol fans.

In an attempt to find a silver lining in something we have zero control over.
He is not alfa material.
You've seen companies where the right- and left-hand people are the
more influential people in the day-to-day operations of the company.

Bloom should provide an improved roster mix, difficult to not improve.
He also should be giving a subordinate a direction that he wants followed.
Oli will follow as he followed MO's direction.
A stronger mix in the assistant coaches could improve the preparation and
in game strategy. Bloom has said the on field this has not worked itself out yet.

All I got, but I have seen it and been a part of it. The manger is a conduit from
the FO.

Your conclusion is correct and concerning.
The Marmot is not a strong leader (although he is highly skilled at comically starting at home plate umpires who ignore him as they would a house fly).
His staff does not show results on the field.
And that is a real problem since, as pointed out with your well-turned phrase, the manager is indeed a conduit from the front office.
Retaining The Marmot suggests that he and Bloom are on the same page - and if that is true it spells disaster for 2026.
My perfect plan can only solve the roster construction issue - but if the Bloom & Marmot marriage is no different than the TOXIC "sustainable mediocrity" goal shared by Super Slo Mo & Marmot, then not much will change.
Maintaining current staff means Bloom has embraced the status quo.
Massive blunder on his part in so many ways.

Possibly, but not probable.

Bloom and MO having the same message and with the
same roster building techniques would indeed have similar
results.

I really do not expect that.

The qualities Bloom may see in Oli (cough) may include
Oli doing as told, IF not he's a mid-season termination.

I will grant the 'Oli will do as he is told" point - in fact, that is exactly why I brilliantly branded him as The Marmot since the day he was hired.
Your other point is interesting.
I have seen the "mid-season termination" specter raised by several people.
The common thought seems to be that since The Marmot is under contract for next season, Bloom and DeWitt see little downside to retaining him.
Keep him in place while Bloom further assesses.
What's the harm?
The harm is significant.
One, The Marmot and staff have been horrendous over the past 3 seasons in properly using spring training as a springboard for quality regular season baseball.
It is foolishness to expect anything other than what has already be proven in the past.
Two, the TOXIC CULTURE which began several years ago, and was placed on steroids in 2021/2022, is grounded on the odious acceptance of mediocrity.
Winning is never achieved where is it not the requirement.
Recycling the same losing (literally) formula which informs every single player from the first day of spring training and every single day of the regular season that winning is neither the goal not the expectation is complete idiocy - regardless of whether Bloom shows better roster building judgement than Super Slo Mo possessed.
The return of The Marmot is nothing less than a loud message that losing is acceptable - and every player in the organization heard that message loud and clear this week.
Huge error in judgement on Bloom's part.

I would not keep him. I would like the freshness of starting new.
I also would not replace him with just anybody.
Most importantly I have zero say in the matter and that would be foolish
to think otherwise.

IF the damage is so great that it cannot be reversed, that making a change after a subordinate doesn't produce to my standards
then the Cardinals are in a terrible spot. I'd actually be firing him if done now for doing the standards
of another boss. I also believe that Bloom and Oli have been communicating, and Bloom has as of today is
okay with him, he may not be okay with others, we'll see.

There are several former managers available (who were also successful players) possessing winning resumes and who would bring much needed development and accountability skill to the dugout.
Regrettably, at the moment Bloom prefers the mediocrity mindset of the current status quo.

[Melville]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

[Goldfan]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

[Detroit Louie]

Is there a sabremetric for quality of managing? I would guess Oli is at or slightly above basic replacement value. I think he cares about player development and is very much with the new program. I can see keeping him for 2026, but he may not be the guy beyond. This should be his make or break year.

I’m afraid Gorman will end up like Carson Kelly, rough seasons still to come, but will break out later, for another team. Problem with trading him now is we’d be trading at his low point. If we do keep him (mainly because we get so little in return this winter), we have this dilemma next July. If he’s improved enough to fetch a decent return, the team will want to keep him. If he has a mediocre first half, he’s a year older and worth even less on the trade market.

I’m intrigued by Fermin. Hope he makes the team next spring.

But to make real progress in the outfield, I think the Cards would need to sign a free agent like Kyle Tucker. And that ain’t happening this winter.

The biggest area needing help, though, is pitching, pitching, pitching.

[Melville]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

Yes, he strikes out too much.
(He also draws walks at higher rate than anyone on the team).
All that aside is, production is what wins or loses games and that will be true as long as games are decided by which side touches home plate more.
Reality, even with the flaws in his game, Gorman has a proven track record.
Give him 600 PA's and he will produce 80+ RBI and 80 runs scored.
That is a fact.
The team has no other 2b/3b who can do so.
That is also a fact.
Zero question he must be retained until such time as a better option is proven.

[Talkin' Baseball]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

Yes, he strikes out too much.
(He also draws walks at higher rate than anyone on the team).
All that aside is, production is what wins or loses games and that will be true as long as games are decided by which side touches home plate more.
Reality, even with the flaws in his game, Gorman has a proven track record.
Give him 600 PA's and he will produce 80+ RBI and 80 runs scored.
That is a fact.
The team has no other 2b/3b who can do so.
That is also a fact.
Zero question he must be retained until such time as a better option is proven.

Between injury, inability to hit left handers, and general extreme steakiness, it takes nearly two seasons to get 600 PA. So while your statement is generally true- what the team gets is more like 40 RBI's and runs scored per season.

[bccardsfan]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

Yes, he strikes out too much.
(He also draws walks at higher rate than anyone on the team).
All that aside is, production is what wins or loses games and that will be true as long as games are decided by which side touches home plate more.
Reality, even with the flaws in his game, Gorman has a proven track record.
Give him 600 PA's and he will produce 80+ RBI and 80 runs scored.
That is a fact.
The team has no other 2b/3b who can do so.
That is also a fact.
Zero question he must be retained until such time as a better option is proven.

Between injury, inability to hit left handers, and general extreme steakiness, it takes nearly two seasons to get 600 PA. So while your statement is generally true- what the team gets is more like 40 RBI's and runs scored per season.

.... and below average D at 2B or 3B, which is where he will play. He is bad defensively and that costs you. To make up for that he needs to hit, and he doesn't do that consistently either. Will he eventually? Maybe, but now long are you willing to wait.... Unfortunately he has little trade value unless there is a team who thinks they can fix him. So you pretty much have to keep him and hope, and live with his D until better options emerge internally.

[Melville]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

Yes, he strikes out too much.
(He also draws walks at higher rate than anyone on the team).
All that aside is, production is what wins or loses games and that will be true as long as games are decided by which side touches home plate more.
Reality, even with the flaws in his game, Gorman has a proven track record.
Give him 600 PA's and he will produce 80+ RBI and 80 runs scored.
That is a fact.
The team has no other 2b/3b who can do so.
That is also a fact.
Zero question he must be retained until such time as a better option is proven.

Between injury, inability to hit left handers, and general extreme steakiness, it takes nearly two seasons to get 600 PA. So while your statement is generally true- what the team gets is more like 40 RBI's and runs scored per season.

Opinions are fine.
Facts are much better.
Against LH pitching Gorman was .220/.301/439/.740 with 5 HR and 17 RBI in 93 PA's.
That is excellent work for a LH bat.
And it was far better than Nootbaar.
And far better than Scott.
And...wait for it....far better than Burleson.
And far better than RH hitting Saggese against LH pitching.

[OldRed]

The writer of this piece appears to have studied this thread and taken notes of my correct analysis.
Or perhaps he is simply intelligent and understands this game nearly as well as I do.
Either way, a solid take.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... af67&ei=16
Trade Nootbaar.
Keep Gorman and Burleson for 2026 due to upside potential and then decide future fit.
Be willing to move Donovan (I correctly advise doing so next July, not this off-season) for the right return.
Could not possibly be more obvious that this is the correct approach concerning these four.

At the end of my rope with Gorman. He shows no sign of improvement. They closed his stance early this season and his power was nullified. He went back to open stance and flying open. He’ll hit some HR but not bat any better than .220 with way too many K’s. Those Possible 25HR don’t make up for that

Yes, he strikes out too much.
(He also draws walks at higher rate than anyone on the team).
All that aside is, production is what wins or loses games and that will be true as long as games are decided by which side touches home plate more.
Reality, even with the flaws in his game, Gorman has a proven track record.
Give him 600 PA's and he will produce 80+ RBI and 80 runs scored.
That is a fact.
The team has no other 2b/3b who can do so.
That is also a fact.
Zero question he must be retained until such time as a better option is proven.

Between injury, inability to hit left handers, and general extreme steakiness, it takes nearly two seasons to get 600 PA. So while your statement is generally true- what the team gets is more like 40 RBI's and runs scored per season.

Opinions are fine.
Facts are much better.
Against LH pitching Gorman was .220/.301/439/.740 with 5 HR and 17 RBI in 93 PA's.
That is excellent work for a LH bat.
And it was far better than Nootbaar.
And far better than Scott.
And...wait for it....far better than Burleson.
And far better than RH hitting Saggese against LH pitching.

Give it up... you don't know [shirt].

[hmoss859]

Gotta let your Gorman bro crush go

He is a subpar defender, baserunners runner and whiffs ways too much

Has hit nearly 1500 MLB plate appearances so it’s not a small sample size