Re: After 3 awful years now the cards want to rebuild lol
Posted: 06 Dec 2025 09:48 am
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No WS appearance last 12 years. Several years away from another. We are at the 70’s level and approaching the 90’s. These are franchise high numbers.WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:50 amBe careful...you'll be chastised by the whiners who decide how others can post on here
Here another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
That’s a novel concept Cranny - blaming the Cardinals futility of the past 10 years or so on the success of other clubs.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:17 amAnd the out of hand FA salaries haven't changed during that period of time? With the big market teams going bananas with huge long term contracts? Duh.Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:14 amSomeone quoting from the admittedly impressive pre-2013 hymnal might nonetheless do well to recall the text of mutual fund disclaimers:sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 08:33 amDon’t you think this stat sheet to be skewed heavily towards the past.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
Tell me the team stat since 2013, out last WS appearance.
Past performance is not indicative of future results,
as changing market conditions, manager skill sets and fund strategies all have to adapt to keep pace with the changing environment; a lack of which does seem to aptly describe a good chunk of the last dozen years at 700 Clark Ave.
Did someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
What we may be talking about seems so small; but it’s a big as the promise. The promise of a coming day.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:15 amDid someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
No promises. Just entertaining and winning baseball hopefully ahead.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:27 amWhat we may be talking about seems so small; but it’s a big as the promise. The promise of a coming day.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:15 amDid someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
You mention hopefully. Do you have doubts. And what is the measure of entertainment if not winning. Can we be entertained contently and lose.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:37 amNo promises. Just entertaining and winning baseball hopefully ahead.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:27 amWhat we may be talking about seems so small; but it’s a big as the promise. The promise of a coming day.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:15 amDid someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
Unlike some, I enjoy every win during the regular season. I actually don't need the playoffs to achieve satisfaction. Just winning baseball, as well as watching with great interest when players are called up from the minors. Seeing their parents in the stands watching their son's dream come true is emotionally gratifying.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:01 amYou mention hopefully. Do you have doubts. And what is the measure of entertainment if not winning. Can we be entertained contently and lose.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:37 amNo promises. Just entertaining and winning baseball hopefully ahead.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:27 amWhat we may be talking about seems so small; but it’s a big as the promise. The promise of a coming day.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:15 amDid someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
Nice response. Again you mention winning baseball. I agree. How do we measure winning -.500 or better.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:15 amUnlike some, I enjoy every win during the regular season. I actually don't need the playoffs to achieve satisfaction. Just winning baseball, as well as watching with great interest when players are called up from the minors. Seeing their parents in the stands watching their son's dream come true is emotionally gratifying.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:01 amYou mention hopefully. Do you have doubts. And what is the measure of entertainment if not winning. Can we be entertained contently and lose.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:37 amNo promises. Just entertaining and winning baseball hopefully ahead.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:27 amWhat we may be talking about seems so small; but it’s a big as the promise. The promise of a coming day.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:15 amDid someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
Yes. Every year this century with the exception of 2007, 2023, and 2025 - 22 winning seasons vs. 3 losing seasons. And now rebuilding for the future.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:17 amNice response. Again you mention winning baseball. I agree. How do we measure winning -.500 or better.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:15 amUnlike some, I enjoy every win during the regular season. I actually don't need the playoffs to achieve satisfaction. Just winning baseball, as well as watching with great interest when players are called up from the minors. Seeing their parents in the stands watching their son's dream come true is emotionally gratifying.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:01 amYou mention hopefully. Do you have doubts. And what is the measure of entertainment if not winning. Can we be entertained contently and lose.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:37 amNo promises. Just entertaining and winning baseball hopefully ahead.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:27 amWhat we may be talking about seems so small; but it’s a big as the promise. The promise of a coming day.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:15 amDid someone promise you a WS over the past 13 years? Or just entertaining winning baseball most years.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 10:00 amHere another factual message -Cranny wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 07:55 amHe’s not a sock. He’s a rational poster who lays out the facts. Factually sending a message to the entitlement crowd.icon wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 00:47 amAre you a Cranny sock?Southern Illinois wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 15:41 pmYou mean the same ownership that accomplished the following:
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
That ownership? I would say they have done pretty well. They built it once, I believe they are putting things together to do so again.
4-15 playoff record over the past 11 seasons
1 playoff series win in the past 11 seasons
6 playoff misses in the past 10 seasons despite the fact that 40% of teams make the playoffs.
I don’t think fans who are sick and tired of playoff failure are “entitled”.
"In some places 'winning' is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season and go home, and get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history. And not with our great fans."
--Bill DeWitt, Jr.
+1...and we have Baghdad Bob telling us we should hope for everything to be great...Basically what a child would say...and the fans are speaking loud and clear.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:35 am"In some places 'winning' is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season and go home, and get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history. And not with our great fans."
--Bill DeWitt, Jr.
But...but...you're not being a front office (donkey) kisser and you're posting negative comments...SHAMEOldRed wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 11:49 am Unlike some, I enjoy winning and a team playing fundamental sound baseball. Unlike some, I enjoy a team when it is competing to win a division. Unlike some, I don't enjoy .500 baseball. And finally, unlike some I like to complain, it is what baseball is about, talking and complaining.