Bloom will listen to interest for Donovan and Noot

[sikeston bulldog2]

Donovan has played 4 seasons he’s never scored more than 65 runs never he’s driven in more than 50 runs just once he doesn’t have much speed doesn’t have much power and people act like the cardinals can’t do without him. I think it has to do with the cardinals have so many awful players any decent player makes them think they are great and can’t be replaced. Trade him

Donovan in 2025 -

.287/.353/.422/.775

In today’s major league world, that’s a good slash line, Ozzies.

You would think with those numbers he would be great and drive in runs and score runs but he doesn’t because he isn’t fast and doesn’t have much power. If he had that hit tool with Gormans power or Scott’s speed yea absolutely keep him extend him. But he’s not a guy with the cardinals limited budget they should be investing in because he’s not a player you build around. Very little power not much speed. Trade him

He’s the consummate versatile player. Can play a number of position. That, and leadership, is why you keep him.

The consummate versatile player-check. A GG utility guy.

Can play a number positions. Same statement.

Leadership. None. He’s just another guy in the dugout.

I’d put him at third if…

[rockondlouie]

I didn’t miss anyone’s point.

You are missing the point cranny.

Donny is C. Bloom's BEST TRADE chip (He's not dealing I. Hererra or M. Winn) and his BEST CHANCE at landing a major league starting pitcher.

JJW is going to be manning 2nd base for at least the next decade if he's anywhere close to the player he's projected to be.

Donny doesn't profile as the best option at 3rd base, a position where Bloom will need to find a power bat if Gorman doesn't pan out.

He can play in the OF but once again, Bloom needs to draft & develop, trade for or sign a power bat for one of the corners.

We all like Donny, no disputing his value.

But's it's exactly that value that could being back a younger, less expensive player/pitcher Bloom can build around.

Dealing him w/two yrs of control left insures a better return.

Good points Rock. And Donovan might be the guy you have to deal to get a quality arm.
I do disagree with you concerning 3B. Unless JJ is put there I think Donovan is your best option.

Thx cuse

Donny is the best trade chip along w/one of the catchers in the organization to land a young, major league #3 quality starter w/years of control.

While Donny's best position is 3rd base defensively he's NOT the type of bat you want there.

Corner infield/outfield needs to be for power bats, not a player with a career high 14 HR's and .411 SLG%, just not a fit.

And JJW (IMO) is targeted for 2nd base where his bat would be very special!

[casey1024]

Donovan’s a leader both on and off the field. Keep him.

Amen!

[ramfandan]

If Bloom trades Donovan, then fans realize the rebuild is ON .

[C-Unit]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

[ecleme22]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

If BD isn’t aggressively shopped, it weirdly looks less like a rebuild.

[C-Unit]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

If BD isn’t aggressively shopped, it weirdly looks less like a rebuild.

Maybe it's yet to be determined... which re- term we are using and why. It's all dependent on the return. In Donovan's case, we have no business being "forced sellers" until the 2026 deadline. He's an asset for now.

[ecleme22]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

If BD isn’t aggressively shopped, it weirdly looks less like a rebuild.

Maybe it's yet to be determined... which re- term we are using and why. It's all dependent on the return. In Donovan's case, we have no business being "forced sellers" until the 2026 deadline. He's an asset for now.

No, BD shouldn’t be quickly dumped just because. And I said last night that bloom should not trade him this offseason if the return isn’t to his liking.

But he should be aggressively shopped. And, ironically, BD being an ‘asset’ is why you shop him. Better return…

[Shady]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

If BD isn’t aggressively shopped, it weirdly looks less like a rebuild.

Maybe it's yet to be determined... which re- term we are using and why. It's all dependent on the return. In Donovan's case, we have no business being "forced sellers" until the 2026 deadline. He's an asset for now.

No, BD shouldn’t be quickly dumped just because. And I said last night that bloom should not trade him this offseason if the return isn’t to his liking.

But he should be aggressively shopped. And, ironically, BD being an ‘asset’ is why you shop him. Better return…

The Yankees could really use Donovan's and Burleson's bats in their lineup. My guess is, the Cardinals would be more inclined to deal them Donovan.

[ecleme22]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

If BD isn’t aggressively shopped, it weirdly looks less like a rebuild.

Maybe it's yet to be determined... which re- term we are using and why. It's all dependent on the return. In Donovan's case, we have no business being "forced sellers" until the 2026 deadline. He's an asset for now.

No, BD shouldn’t be quickly dumped just because. And I said last night that bloom should not trade him this offseason if the return isn’t to his liking.

But he should be aggressively shopped. And, ironically, BD being an ‘asset’ is why you shop him. Better return…

The Yankees could really use Donovan's and Burleson's bats in their lineup. My guess is, the Cardinals would be more inclined to deal them Donovan.

Another attempt to shoehorn Burleson in the convo….

My guess is Bloom is more motivated to deal BD given he only has two years remaining and is a better trade chip.

But I doubt he’s slamming the door if anyone comes knocking about AB.

[Cusecards]

I didn’t miss anyone’s point.

You are missing the point cranny.

Donny is C. Bloom's BEST TRADE chip (He's not dealing I. Hererra or M. Winn) and his BEST CHANCE at landing a major league starting pitcher.

JJW is going to be manning 2nd base for at least the next decade if he's anywhere close to the player he's projected to be.

Donny doesn't profile as the best option at 3rd base, a position where Bloom will need to find a power bat if Gorman doesn't pan out.

He can play in the OF but once again, Bloom needs to draft & develop, trade for or sign a power bat for one of the corners.

We all like Donny, no disputing his value.

But's it's exactly that value that could being back a younger, less expensive player/pitcher Bloom can build around.

Dealing him w/two yrs of control left insures a better return.

Good points Rock. And Donovan might be the guy you have to deal to get a quality arm.
I do disagree with you concerning 3B. Unless JJ is put there I think Donovan is your best option.

Thx cuse

Donny is the best trade chip along w/one of the catchers in the organization to land a young, major league #3 quality starter w/years of control.

While Donny's best position is 3rd base defensively he's NOT the type of bat you want there.

Corner infield/outfield needs to be for power bats, not a player with a career high 14 HR's and .411 SLG%, just not a fit.

And JJW (IMO) is targeted for 2nd base where his bat would be very special!

Totally agree on JJW for 2B!
Interesting offseason ahead and I’m excited to see it play out.
Look forward to more great Hot Stove talk!

[ScotchMIrish]

Wait a minute. At the press conference with DeWitt I heard Bloom said no shortcuts. Now he wants to trade Donovan?

Of course. He’s not a tent pole player.

Gold glove at second base. 5th highest OPS in MLB at second base. 28 years old. You win by having better players at each position on the field.

I'd like to see who they are going to trade him for.

[rockondlouie]

I didn’t miss anyone’s point.

You are missing the point cranny.

Donny is C. Bloom's BEST TRADE chip (He's not dealing I. Hererra or M. Winn) and his BEST CHANCE at landing a major league starting pitcher.

JJW is going to be manning 2nd base for at least the next decade if he's anywhere close to the player he's projected to be.

Donny doesn't profile as the best option at 3rd base, a position where Bloom will need to find a power bat if Gorman doesn't pan out.

He can play in the OF but once again, Bloom needs to draft & develop, trade for or sign a power bat for one of the corners.

We all like Donny, no disputing his value.

But's it's exactly that value that could being back a younger, less expensive player/pitcher Bloom can build around.

Dealing him w/two yrs of control left insures a better return.

Good points Rock. And Donovan might be the guy you have to deal to get a quality arm.
I do disagree with you concerning 3B. Unless JJ is put there I think Donovan is your best option.

Thx cuse

Donny is the best trade chip along w/one of the catchers in the organization to land a young, major league #3 quality starter w/years of control.

While Donny's best position is 3rd base defensively he's NOT the type of bat you want there.

Corner infield/outfield needs to be for power bats, not a player with a career high 14 HR's and .411 SLG%, just not a fit.

And JJW (IMO) is targeted for 2nd base where his bat would be very special!

Totally agree on JJW for 2B!
Interesting offseason ahead and I’m excited to see it play out.
Look forward to more great Hot Stove talk!

Same here

I expect C. Bloom to really make some moves (DFA's, trades and FA) that re-shapes the roster mess Mo left him.

[Cusecards]

I personally would offer Donovan some type of 5 year deal, maybe 55-65M range. If it would cost more than that then go ahead trade him.

No no no no no

First he isn’t signing for that.

Second, what is it about a rebuild that BFIB don’t understand?

BD in year 4 will likely start to decline and the Cards will maybe just be getting good.

Trade this guy now ffs

I don't understand why it's apparently only a rebuild if Donovan gets traded, but if he stays we apparently can't call it a rebuild?

If BD isn’t aggressively shopped, it weirdly looks less like a rebuild.

Maybe it's yet to be determined... which re- term we are using and why. It's all dependent on the return. In Donovan's case, we have no business being "forced sellers" until the 2026 deadline. He's an asset for now.

Agree on Donovan! It’s about the return.
I get the need to move Arenado, and possibly Gray or even Contreras.
But Donovan is a good two way player with versatility and two years of control.
And for that there could be lots of interest.
I myself would rather move Gorman and Noot but obviously the return will be much less.
An IF of Contreras/JJ/Winn/Donovan works for me!

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Wait a minute. At the press conference with DeWitt I heard Bloom said no shortcuts. Now he wants to trade Donovan?

Of course. He’s not a tent pole player.

Gold glove at second base. 5th highest OPS in MLB at second base. 28 years old. You win by having better players at each position on the field.

I'd like to see who they are going to trade him for.

I don’t think they trade him to trade him. But if they can get someone of value who snaps into their timelines I think they do it.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Wait a minute. At the press conference with DeWitt I heard Bloom said no shortcuts. Now he wants to trade Donovan?

Of course. He’s not a tent pole player.

Gold glove at second base. 5th highest OPS in MLB at second base. 28 years old. You win by having better players at each position on the field.

I'd like to see who they are going to trade him for.

Even if what you say is true, going into next season he might be the second best second baseman on his own team.