So haters, how exactly do we quantify if moving Nado down worked?

[sikeston bulldog2]

Whomever decided to hang onto Arenado is a gold ribbon hero.

Arenado is the hero then if mo had his way arenado would be an Astro and Gorman would be the every day third baseman

So why would Nado stay? Because he realizes that the team Mo has built through the draft is better to work for than Houston's.

You may have a point. No one knows. But his D plays at high levels. His offense is bottom tier.

[Ozziesfan41]

Whomever decided to hang onto Arenado is a gold ribbon hero.

Arenado is the hero then if mo had his way arenado would be an Astro and Gorman would be the every day third baseman

So why would Nado stay? Because he realizes that the team Mo has built through the draft is better to work for than Houston's.

Because if he doesn’t think the astros aren’t any better than the cardinals he had might as well stay where he is already comfortable playing

[Ozziesfan41]

Looks like the cardinals forgot arenado was moved down and won and got the sweep

[thetank2]

Whomever decided to hang onto Arenado is a gold ribbon hero.

Arenado is the hero then if mo had his way arenado would be an Astro and Gorman would be the every day third baseman

Ozzie:

Those position players out there were drafted by Mo. You are stuck in 2024.

[Ozziesfan41]

Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?

How's 11 runs through 7 looking?

How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?

So you think Nado going 0 for 4 in the clean up spot would have helped them win today? lol youre an idiot. And if you think they would have continued to win 13 out of every 15 games if he stayed in the clean up spot then you are a bigger idiot

I don't know anything about how things would have worked out since you haters demanded things get fixed with the lineup. I know you fixed our series winning streak. Are things way better now?

Right you have no idea how things would have worked out so youre just a whiney baby complaining about Oli making a smart decision

Yes, I don't know how they would have turned out, but I know how they turned out and I would swap in a second because they lost 2 in a row and looks like some momentum. What's so smart about it? That's kind of the whole point of this thread, how exactly did you quantify it was smart? All I've seen is a series loss and series loss at home for the first time in a while.

What's so smart about it? It's gives fewer plate appearances(and fewer key plate appearances) to a player that has shown, over a quite large sample at this point, that he is no longer the hitter he was when he was acquired.

That is a myth. Not true. The amount of at bats a player has is determined by a lot more factors than just where they hit in the line up. It has to do with how many games that guy plays, how good the offense is, how good the other teams pitching is, the defense, the umpire strike zone etc

Some guys can get 6 at bats in a game, some situations guys only get 3 and that is if they play. On top of that in some key situations the other team will pitch around the better hitters to get to the easier outs.

I bet big bucks, Arenado hitting at 6 he still averages more plate appearances than guys like Contreas or Herrera hitting higher. The guy plays everyday, is very rarely ever injured and plays in the field more. Does that effect performance? Does it in a good way or bad way? Lots of people thought Ripken could have had bigger numbers if not for the streak. Pitchers can pitch 300 innings but the team will overall probably lose more because they will not be as effective as bringing in a relief ace. Look what happens to guys like Gorman and maybe Contreas or Herrera when they start to play more games, that grind wears on guys performance. Look at Pujols last year, they mostly just put him in in certain situations he could thrive and was way better than previous years.

It's very complicated and there are too many variables to calculate, sometimes liars figure and figures lie.

Oops cards won another series I guess they keep forgetting that arenado was moved out of the fourth spot lol cards now 8 games over

[Ike Hammett]

Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?

How's 11 runs through 7 looking?

How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?

So you think Nado going 0 for 4 in the clean up spot would have helped them win today? lol youre an idiot. And if you think they would have continued to win 13 out of every 15 games if he stayed in the clean up spot then you are a bigger idiot

I don't know anything about how things would have worked out since you haters demanded things get fixed with the lineup. I know you fixed our series winning streak. Are things way better now?

Right you have no idea how things would have worked out so youre just a whiney baby complaining about Oli making a smart decision

Yes, I don't know how they would have turned out, but I know how they turned out and I would swap in a second because they lost 2 in a row and looks like some momentum. What's so smart about it? That's kind of the whole point of this thread, how exactly did you quantify it was smart? All I've seen is a series loss and series loss at home for the first time in a while.

What's so smart about it? It's gives fewer plate appearances(and fewer key plate appearances) to a player that has shown, over a quite large sample at this point, that he is no longer the hitter he was when he was acquired.

That is a myth. Not true. The amount of at bats a player has is determined by a lot more factors than just where they hit in the line up. It has to do with how many games that guy plays, how good the offense is, how good the other teams pitching is, the defense, the umpire strike zone etc

Some guys can get 6 at bats in a game, some situations guys only get 3 and that is if they play. On top of that in some key situations the other team will pitch around the better hitters to get to the easier outs.

I bet big bucks, Arenado hitting at 6 he still averages more plate appearances than guys like Contreas or Herrera hitting higher. The guy plays everyday, is very rarely ever injured and plays in the field more. Does that effect performance? Does it in a good way or bad way? Lots of people thought Ripken could have had bigger numbers if not for the streak. Pitchers can pitch 300 innings but the team will overall probably lose more because they will not be as effective as bringing in a relief ace. Look what happens to guys like Gorman and maybe Contreas or Herrera when they start to play more games, that grind wears on guys performance. Look at Pujols last year, they mostly just put him in in certain situations he could thrive and was way better than previous years.

It's very complicated and there are too many variables to calculate, sometimes liars figure and figures lie.

Oops cards won another series I guess they keep forgetting that arenado was moved out of the fourth spot lol cards now 8 games over

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

[3dender]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

[AnExParrot]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

This guy actually tried to argue that a player who bats higher in the lineup doesn't get more plate appearances than someone who bats lower in the lineup.

[WLTFE]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

This guy actually tried to argue that a player who bats higher in the lineup doesn't get more plate appearances than someone who bats lower in the lineup.

Wow.. I remember those posts...when you're dealing with people that dumb I try to let them stay in their own little world...you can’t fix stupid!

[JDW]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

This guy actually tried to argue that a player who bats higher in the lineup doesn't get more plate appearances than someone who bats lower in the lineup.

Wow.. I remember those posts...when you're dealing with people that dumb I try to let them stay in their own little world...you can’t fix stupid!

Well, gotta admit I would have thought a "geopolitical economic warfare strategy and comprehensive domestic policy" guy might of come off a little smarter than this, but ..................... wait, Ike, are you the one to come up with the tariff ideas/plans/implementation?

[Adam2]

Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?

How's 11 runs through 7 looking?

How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?

So you think Nado going 0 for 4 in the clean up spot would have helped them win today? lol youre an idiot. And if you think they would have continued to win 13 out of every 15 games if he stayed in the clean up spot then you are a bigger idiot

I don't know anything about how things would have worked out since you haters demanded things get fixed with the lineup. I know you fixed our series winning streak. Are things way better now?

Right you have no idea how things would have worked out so youre just a whiney baby complaining about Oli making a smart decision

Yes, I don't know how they would have turned out, but I know how they turned out and I would swap in a second because they lost 2 in a row and looks like some momentum. What's so smart about it? That's kind of the whole point of this thread, how exactly did you quantify it was smart? All I've seen is a series loss and series loss at home for the first time in a while.

What's so smart about it? It's gives fewer plate appearances(and fewer key plate appearances) to a player that has shown, over a quite large sample at this point, that he is no longer the hitter he was when he was acquired.

That is a myth. Not true. The amount of at bats a player has is determined by a lot more factors than just where they hit in the line up. It has to do with how many games that guy plays, how good the offense is, how good the other teams pitching is, the defense, the umpire strike zone etc

Some guys can get 6 at bats in a game, some situations guys only get 3 and that is if they play. On top of that in some key situations the other team will pitch around the better hitters to get to the easier outs.

I bet big bucks, Arenado hitting at 6 he still averages more plate appearances than guys like Contreas or Herrera hitting higher. The guy plays everyday, is very rarely ever injured and plays in the field more. Does that effect performance? Does it in a good way or bad way? Lots of people thought Ripken could have had bigger numbers if not for the streak. Pitchers can pitch 300 innings but the team will overall probably lose more because they will not be as effective as bringing in a relief ace. Look what happens to guys like Gorman and maybe Contreas or Herrera when they start to play more games, that grind wears on guys performance. Look at Pujols last year, they mostly just put him in in certain situations he could thrive and was way better than previous years.

It's very complicated and there are too many variables to calculate, sometimes liars figure and figures lie.

Oops cards won another series I guess they keep forgetting that arenado was moved out of the fourth spot lol cards now 8 games over

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

cool post

[Ike Hammett]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

BWAAAAHAHAHA!!!! So the guy has his .OPS go down .300+ points and you want to argue? The team hasn't won as much and you want to argue? That the new "clean up hitter" has basically the same numbers and you want to argue? That Nado has contributed big time to the wins and maybe would have contributed to create more wins and you want to argue?

I'm happy with where things are and a firm believer in not changing things when they are going well. I still have not read any comments that make any sense on what quantifies a better team by making that move. Certainly haven't seen any absolute results that prove it has worked. Why don't you break it down and explain instead of proving my points.

Lol, my whole argument from the beginning was the team was hot and WINNING, why mess with it. My question from the beginning was how do you haters quantify if it has worked? Both points that have not been answered or given any basic logical sense to. Just a bunch of arrogant, phony, trash, P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] arguments about nonsense like you give.

[Ike Hammett]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

This guy actually tried to argue that a player who bats higher in the lineup doesn't get more plate appearances than someone who bats lower in the lineup.

Wow.. I remember those posts...when you're dealing with people that dumb I try to let them stay in their own little world...you can’t fix stupid!

Well, gotta admit I would have thought a "geopolitical economic warfare strategy and comprehensive domestic policy" guy might of come off a little smarter than this, but ..................... wait, Ike, are you the one to come up with the tariff ideas/plans/implementation?

AHHHAHAHA!!! Stop embarrassing yourself arrogant phony. This isn’t the place to post about government or economics, it's for baseball and specifically Cardinals baseball discussion. lol, isn’t you who posted, thoughts and reality are 2 totally different things? If you can't even make logical, cogent arguments and get whooped in your own "speciality" what makes you "think" you can argue any others?

[sikeston bulldog2]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

BWAAAAHAHAHA!!!! So the guy has his .OPS go down .300+ points and you want to argue? The team hasn't won as much and you want to argue? That the new "clean up hitter" has basically the same numbers and you want to argue? That Nado has contributed big time to the wins and maybe would have contributed to create more wins and you want to argue?

I'm happy with where things are and a firm believer in not changing things when they are going well. I still have not read any comments that make any sense on what quantifies a better team by making that move. Certainly haven't seen any absolute results that prove it has worked. Why don't you break it down and explain instead of proving my points.

Lol, my whole argument from the beginning was the team was hot and WINNING, why mess with it. My question from the beginning was how do you haters quantify if it has worked? Both points that have not been answered or given any basic logical sense to. Just a bunch of arrogant, phony, trash, P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] arguments about nonsense like you give.

I’d start with the wins. We still are winning. So maybe the move had zero affect, we can’t measure. But we aren’t losing either, so maybe a measure can be drawn from that fact.

[Ike Hammett]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

BWAAAAHAHAHA!!!! So the guy has his .OPS go down .300+ points and you want to argue? The team hasn't won as much and you want to argue? That the new "clean up hitter" has basically the same numbers and you want to argue? That Nado has contributed big time to the wins and maybe would have contributed to create more wins and you want to argue?

I'm happy with where things are and a firm believer in not changing things when they are going well. I still have not read any comments that make any sense on what quantifies a better team by making that move. Certainly haven't seen any absolute results that prove it has worked. Why don't you break it down and explain instead of proving my points.

Lol, my whole argument from the beginning was the team was hot and WINNING, why mess with it. My question from the beginning was how do you haters quantify if it has worked? Both points that have not been answered or given any basic logical sense to. Just a bunch of arrogant, phony, trash, P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] arguments about nonsense like you give.

I’d start with the wins. We still are winning. So maybe the move had zero affect, we can’t measure. But we aren’t losing either, so maybe a measure can be drawn from that fact.

I concur, but that isn't what this is about. This is about unknowledgeable hater never happy "fans" with their ridiculous over analyzing and criticism trying to passively aggressive bash in order to weakly try and prove they are right about anything.

You are kind of making my whole point, there has really been no effect and we can't really measure it very accurately. So where is all the big change these haters were calling for in every other post a little while back? And certainly the haters shouldn't be taking any victory laps on all their great analyzing and pushing. Doing so just makes them look dumb, that's what is going on and triggered my response.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Not exactly sure what the point of your lame comment is, do you? Not that I care much coming from such an unknowledgeable, phony, bandwagon jumping "fan" that thinks he is part of "the bfib" that isn't really worth responding to.

Contreas went 0 for 5 tonight. He basically has the same numbers as Nado. Since being moved up he seems to not be doing as well just like Herrera. Not that I care because they are still winning. Getting wins because of the play of Arenado by the way! Just in the last few games he has had a bases clearing triple, a go ahead home run and made defensive plays that have contributed to big wins if not saved them. His absence has contributed to the team maybe losing games.

I'm not bashing on Contreas or Herrera because that's Baseball and guys sometimes don't always have big games. Why are you haters not bashing on them because of it? I always knew and even posted (before the season) this club had the potential to do something and be this good and even better. You and all your unknowledgeable hater band wagon jumping "best fans in baseball" talked smack.

Dude, you suck and basically none of you have any credibility on anything. Go talk about Burlesons calves or something because obviously you don't know baseball or Cards baseball and are weak, unknowledgble band wagon phonies.

Your whole argument at first was that they weren't winning enough. Now that they're winning just as much again you changed your argument.

And lmao at Herrera "not doing as well" bc he wasn't able to maintain his 1.400 OPS... very smart baseball argument there

BWAAAAHAHAHA!!!! So the guy has his .OPS go down .300+ points and you want to argue? The team hasn't won as much and you want to argue? That the new "clean up hitter" has basically the same numbers and you want to argue? That Nado has contributed big time to the wins and maybe would have contributed to create more wins and you want to argue?

I'm happy with where things are and a firm believer in not changing things when they are going well. I still have not read any comments that make any sense on what quantifies a better team by making that move. Certainly haven't seen any absolute results that prove it has worked. Why don't you break it down and explain instead of proving my points.

Lol, my whole argument from the beginning was the team was hot and WINNING, why mess with it. My question from the beginning was how do you haters quantify if it has worked? Both points that have not been answered or given any basic logical sense to. Just a bunch of arrogant, phony, trash, P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] arguments about nonsense like you give.

I’d start with the wins. We still are winning. So maybe the move had zero affect, we can’t measure. But we aren’t losing either, so maybe a measure can be drawn from that fact.

I concur, but that isn't what this is about. This is about unknowledgeable hater never happy "fans" with their ridiculous over analyzing and criticism trying to passively aggressive bash in order to weakly try and prove they are right about anything.

You are kind of making my whole point, there has really been no effect and we can't really measure it very accurately. So where is all the big change these haters were calling for in every other post a little while back? And certainly the haters shouldn't be taking any victory laps on all their great analyzing and pushing. Doing so just makes them look dumb, that's what is going on and triggered my response.

I hear ya. But you gotta know that humans come in different breeds. So your audience is skewed fifty fifty. Some of the belief is instilled from birth, the other part Lunitic Fringe.