GDT : Cardinals @ Reds (8/17) ~ 5:40pm CDT ~ Doubleheader Game 2

[craviduce]

good job, Torres...but did Masyn miss the steal sign with Walker?


should be 6-4, instead of 5-4

[Ozziesfan41]

Torres comes up clutch! Get more now!

[cbcloud]

...Did Winn cost the Cards a run by not taking 2B on Walker's steal of 3B?

[82birds]

Walker steals third
Winn stays at first?

Torres RBI single
could have been 2 RBI

[Ozziesfan41]

...Did Winn cost the Cards a run by not taking 2B on Walker's steal of 3B?

Walker may have run on his own and Wynn didn’t know he was going

[dekozma]

Mental error by Winn costs a run. Gezzuz

[12xu]

Torres with a big two out RBI!

[Carp4Cy]

We made the third out at third but I never got why that is a thing

Because you were already in scoring position when you were at 2B.

... and giving away outs in the middle of an offensive rally is hugely counter productive.

1st and 3rd, 2 out: 0.48 expected runs
1st and 2nd, 2 out: 0.42 expected runs
1st, 3 out: 0.00 expected runs

If you go for 3rd and make it, you have accomplished very little: 0.06 expected runs = 0.48 - 0.42
If you go for 3rd and get caught, you completely killed the rally and the pitcher heartily thanks you.

Also, if the Reds thought they had a good chance of getting the runner at home, obviously they would have thrown home. They would not choose to concede the run to fall behind 4-1 and instead try to get the runner at 3rd instead. This play only is smart if there is a significant chance the runner would have been out going home. However, if that was the case, then why did you send the runner home?

Don't send: 1st and 2nd and 3rd, 2 out: 0.96 expected runs but you haven't scored that 4th run yet.
Send and out: 1st and 2nd, 3 out: 0.00 expected runs

So getting yourself thrown out at 3rd gains you 0.04 runs... unless that runner was going to be safe at home anyway.
So the defense is only gunning down the runner at 3B if they think the runner going home is probably going to be safe.

This is just the way I see it.

but what are the expected runs for 2nd and 3rd 2 out vs 1st and 2nd 2 out? Winn just cost us a run not taking 2nd there.

[TimTheTechies]

...Did Winn cost the Cards a run by not taking 2B on Walker's steal of 3B?

Walker may have run on his own and Wynn didn’t know he was going

He does not have to know but rather follow the base stealer blindly

[LewisL]

Strange move; Torres hits lefty lefty but then you put Pereira in to pinch run. Probably wanted Pereira in there for defense anyway. Torres got the job done but kind of a funny way to do it.

[60 year Cardinal fan]

Mental error by Winn costs a run. Gezzuz

I hope that lost run doesn’t come back to haunt us.

[82birds]

Blaze strikes out failing to drive in Winn, who should have scored on the Torres single.

[C-Unit]

Winn is a bozo (donkey) mudafuka

[hotrivets]

Can Swizzlestick go two?

[cbcloud]

...Did Winn cost the Cards a run by not taking 2B on Walker's steal of 3B?

Walker may have run on his own and Wynn didn’t know he was going

He does not have to know but rather follow the base stealer blindly

...yeah...when the catcher's throw goes to 3B, he should make 2B easily. Looked like he started, but then stopped, and retreated.

[Ozziesfan41]

...Did Winn cost the Cards a run by not taking 2B on Walker's steal of 3B?

Walker may have run on his own and Wynn didn’t know he was going

He does not have to know but rather follow the base stealer blindly

Winn isn’t going to be watching second base lol he’s going to be watching the pitcher to make sure he doesn’t get picked off by the time he probably sees walker running and he takes off he will be at least a couple of steps late then instead of throwing to third the catcher throws to second and nails Winn. I’m not saying Winn definitely didn’t miss a sign just saying just because walker steals third doesn’t mean Winn screwed up by not stealing second