Nootbaar last game at Busch was a beauty

[Frivolousz50]

Torres deserves the chance to play everyday for a while.

He has settled in. No longer pressing by trying to do to much. And is using his patience and pitch recognition which helped him become one of be best AA/AAA players the last 3 years.

He has been hot recently while getting mixed mash playing time and at bats all over the place.

I believe if they start Torres basically every game versus right .handed pitchers.

He will finish the season around. 300 .375 .455 .830

Once he is given consist playing time I think his walks will go up a lot. He is still pushing to make it happen with his bat because he doesn't want to risk striking out looking when Oli might not play him for for 3 games on a row.

It's human nature to want to just get it done study with three bat.

Once he knows he will get 5-6 starts a week he can fully drop back into his style.

[Melville]

Another guy who supposedly had all this potential. Never realized.

Good to see so many others grasp now what I singularly saw with perfect foresight 4 years ago.

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Torres deserves the chance to play everyday for a while.

He has settled in. No longer pressing by trying to do to much. And is using his patience and pitch recognition which helped him become one of be best AA/AAA players the last 3 years.

He has been hot recently while getting mixed mash playing time and at bats all over the place.

I believe if they start Torres basically every game versus right .handed pitchers.

He will finish the season around. 300 .375 .455 .830

Once he is given consist playing time I think his walks will go up a lot. He is still pushing to make it happen with his bat because he doesn't want to risk striking out looking when Oli might not play him for for 3 games on a row.

It's human nature to want to just get it done study with three bat.

Once he knows he will get 5-6 starts a week he can fully drop back into his style.

Torres has no future as a corner OF on this team. A bench guy, maybe. So he had better adapt to bench status or else.

[JuanAgosto]

I wouldn’t count on him being traded. Bloom won’t trade him for the nothingburger it would take right now. They still need to bring up Baez though. Noot and Church in CF

Isn't it about time for Noot to come down with a bizarre injury? Something stupid like a deviated septum from picking his nose.

[Cardinals4Life]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

That wasn't a hard catch, guy!

I could see Walker missing it, Guy!!
That’s why it’s called “what if”.

Walker catches that ball. Not a problem.
You are just making excuses for the inexcusable.
Noot had a mental lapse. Can't happen. Period. He should have been removed or reprimanded or fined. Doubt any of the latter happened either. Marmol is no leader. He is a unqualified, wanna be bro, pseudo-manager.

[Cardinals4Life]

I saw Scott Rolen forget there was one out and not go for a double play that would have ended an inning. Instead a run scored. Then another. He owned it after the game. I have seen other very good players make a mental mistake throughout the years. Were they all clowns?

The real clown is the person who calls another person a clown for making a mistake.

Exactly. If Weatherholt did it, it would not even be a discussion. So it’s not really the play that happened today it’s people’s dislike for Noot over all. I’m not a big fan of his. I’ve seen players and umpires lose track of the pitch count. So if you wanna point out other aspects of why you don’t like them like the previous poster did, that’s fine. If you think he sucks, he sucks.

No, if JJ did that I would be posting the same thing. Can't happen in the Pros. Unacceptable. Regardless.of who it is, unacceptable!

[Cardinals4Life]

I saw Scott Rolen forget there was one out and not go for a double play that would have ended an inning. Instead a run scored. Then another. He owned it after the game. I have seen other very good players make a mental mistake throughout the years. Were they all clowns?

The real clown is the person who calls another person a clown for making a mistake.

The question is, did Nootbaar own his mistake?

[JuanAgosto]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

That wasn't a hard catch, guy!

I could see Walker missing it, Guy!!
That’s why it’s called “what if”.

Walker catches that ball. Not a problem.
You are just making excuses for the inexcusable.
Noot had a mental lapse. Can't happen. Period. He should have been removed or reprimanded or fined. Doubt any of the latter happened either. Marmol is no leader. He is a unqualified, wanna be bro, pseudo-manager.

Cards4life, you make sensible statements. That doesn't fit into 1964's "What If" fantasy world. See in 1964's alternate reality, Nootbaar was the star of the game. The Cardinals really lost because the DH Walker somehow dropped the ball and Pallante gave up a single.

[Cardinals4Life]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

That wasn't a hard catch, guy!

I could see Walker missing it, Guy!!
That’s why it’s called “what if”.

Walker catches that ball. Not a problem.
You are just making excuses for the inexcusable.
Noot had a mental lapse. Can't happen. Period. He should have been removed or reprimanded or fined. Doubt any of the latter happened either. Marmol is no leader. He is a unqualified, wanna be bro, pseudo-manager.

Cards4life, you make sensible statements. That doesn't fit into 1964's "What If" fantasy world. See in 1964's alternate reality, Nootbaar was the star of the game. The Cardinals really lost because the DH Walker somehow dropped the ball and Pallante gave up a single.

Thx Juan.
I know. I have reread his posts several times and you can't make this stuff up. He actually tried to say Noot saved a run.om that play. I mean, WHAT PLANET AM I LIVING ON??????? This world is in sad shape my friend.

[Brockfast]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

There is never any excuse for a ML fielder to forget the number of outs.

Stop making excuses for the clown this organization has wasted 5 years on.

I’m not making excuses for him. I admit he made a mistake. I’ve seen the same mistakes from Hall of Famer. I’m realistic enough that one play, one mental error does not define a player. If there are other reasons, you don’t like him fine. But, that exact same scenario that happened today will happen again. Probably by better players.

Game has been over for four hours and people are still talking about a play that happened in the fourth inning. There are many things that lost that game.

You placed a hypothetical blame on a guy who was the DH today. You blamed a starting pitcher who had a great game. Not only did Lars cock up that play, but he had multiple opportunities with runners on base. He went 0-4 with 3 strikeouts and a piddly pop-up. He sucked. Stop making excuses just because you want Noot's bar.

I’m starting to like you. I think you are hilarious. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not but you do you crack me up. I think it’s supposed to be hypothetical. That it really didn’t happen.
Like it’s a “what if”. Maybe I’m wrong and I don’t get it.
But there’s nothing funnier than calling someone an 8 year old and then hitting them with a penis joke. Dang my stomach hurts from laughing. Keep em coming.

The idiot wanted to excuse Nootbaar's mistake by throwing out scenarios that didn't happen. "What if Walker is out there and doesn't catch it?" Well, he wasn't out there, so making up a scenario where he was is stupid. That fool actually tried to argue that we should consider Nootbaar had SAVED a run. Uh....no, dipsh!t, he cost a run hot dogging after the catch. What a putz. Nobody is taking his nonsense seriously.

That’s where we read it differently. He was playing Monday morning QB.
Don’t you get it?
Some scenarios did happen. I think he said that Pallante walked a guy that scored. Soriano did give up the run. Hitting with runners and scoring position was pretty bad.
So, if it wasn’t for the Nootbar play, people would be focusing on these other things that happened. That’s my opinion.
Thanks for the earlier laughs. Have a nice day.

[JuanAgosto]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

There is never any excuse for a ML fielder to forget the number of outs.

Stop making excuses for the clown this organization has wasted 5 years on.

I’m not making excuses for him. I admit he made a mistake. I’ve seen the same mistakes from Hall of Famer. I’m realistic enough that one play, one mental error does not define a player. If there are other reasons, you don’t like him fine. But, that exact same scenario that happened today will happen again. Probably by better players.

Game has been over for four hours and people are still talking about a play that happened in the fourth inning. There are many things that lost that game.

You placed a hypothetical blame on a guy who was the DH today. You blamed a starting pitcher who had a great game. Not only did Lars cock up that play, but he had multiple opportunities with runners on base. He went 0-4 with 3 strikeouts and a piddly pop-up. He sucked. Stop making excuses just because you want Noot's bar.

I’m starting to like you. I think you are hilarious. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not but you do you crack me up. I think it’s supposed to be hypothetical. That it really didn’t happen.
Like it’s a “what if”. Maybe I’m wrong and I don’t get it.
But there’s nothing funnier than calling someone an 8 year old and then hitting them with a penis joke. Dang my stomach hurts from laughing. Keep em coming.

The idiot wanted to excuse Nootbaar's mistake by throwing out scenarios that didn't happen. "What if Walker is out there and doesn't catch it?" Well, he wasn't out there, so making up a scenario where he was is stupid. That fool actually tried to argue that we should consider Nootbaar had SAVED a run. Uh....no, dipsh!t, he cost a run hot dogging after the catch. What a putz. Nobody is taking his nonsense seriously.

That’s where we read it differently. He was playing Monday morning QB.
Don’t you get it?
Some scenarios did happen. I think he said that Pallante walked a guy that scored. Soriano did give up the run. Hitting with runners and scoring position was pretty bad.
So, if it wasn’t for the Nootbar play, people would be focusing on these other things that happened. That’s my opinion.
Thanks for the earlier laughs. Have a nice day.

I can't read it the same way. Not when he says Nootbaar saved a run. Number one, he didn't. Thats obvious. And number two, he's assuming Walker 100% doesn't catch the ball. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. Even in fantasy land.
Monday morning qb is questioning decisions that were made and exploring how outcomes could change. Its not making bizarre and untrue statements about things that didn't occur. There is no guarantee Walker does or doesn’t make the catch. And there is no guarantee Pallante throws the same pitch sequences up 1-0 as he did tied 1-1. Second guessing is way different than making up scenarios and presenting your estimation as a true fact.

Sorry for the extra lengthy reply. Have a nice evening.

[JuanAgosto]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

That wasn't a hard catch, guy!

I could see Walker missing it, Guy!!
That’s why it’s called “what if”.

Walker catches that ball. Not a problem.
You are just making excuses for the inexcusable.
Noot had a mental lapse. Can't happen. Period. He should have been removed or reprimanded or fined. Doubt any of the latter happened either. Marmol is no leader. He is a unqualified, wanna be bro, pseudo-manager.

Cards4life, you make sensible statements. That doesn't fit into 1964's "What If" fantasy world. See in 1964's alternate reality, Nootbaar was the star of the game. The Cardinals really lost because the DH Walker somehow dropped the ball and Pallante gave up a single.

Thx Juan.
I know. I have reread his posts several times and you can't make this stuff up. He actually tried to say Noot saved a run.om that play. I mean, WHAT PLANET AM I LIVING ON??????? This world is in sad shape my friend.

It is very strange that people can have takes that are undeniably wrong but continue to argue them. I know the dude is stubborn, but I laughed out loud when he claimed Nootbaar SAVED a run. Wow.

[Cardinals4Life]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

That wasn't a hard catch, guy!

I could see Walker missing it, Guy!!
That’s why it’s called “what if”.

Walker catches that ball. Not a problem.
You are just making excuses for the inexcusable.
Noot had a mental lapse. Can't happen. Period. He should have been removed or reprimanded or fined. Doubt any of the latter happened either. Marmol is no leader. He is a unqualified, wanna be bro, pseudo-manager.

Cards4life, you make sensible statements. That doesn't fit into 1964's "What If" fantasy world. See in 1964's alternate reality, Nootbaar was the star of the game. The Cardinals really lost because the DH Walker somehow dropped the ball and Pallante gave up a single.

Thx Juan.
I know. I have reread his posts several times and you can't make this stuff up. He actually tried to say Noot saved a run.om that play. I mean, WHAT PLANET AM I LIVING ON??????? This world is in sad shape my friend.

It is very strange that people can have takes that are undeniably wrong but continue to argue them. I know the dude is stubborn, but I laughed out loud when he claimed Nootbaar SAVED a run. Wow.

Don't get me started, lol. That is just another example and microcosm of our society these days. People can and will made up lunacy as FACT and you cannot convince them otherwise. Again, I often wonder what planet I am on?!?

[JuanAgosto]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

Let’s play “what if” and the blame game.
Granted Noot made a mental error. We all agree on that.
But what if Walker was out there? He might not catch that ball.
One can argue that Noot saved a double and the run would have scored anyway. So he actually saved the run because the next guy up got hit and that would’ve scored the guy that just hit the pretend double.

Then JJ put him back on top two to one with the home run.
I could blame Pallante for walking the batter that eventually scored to tie again.
I could blame Soriano for giving up that run that tied the game.
I could blame numerous players for not hitting with runners and scoring position. The last I looked, they were one for nine. I don’t know what they ended up with.

That wasn't a hard catch, guy!

I could see Walker missing it, Guy!!
That’s why it’s called “what if”.

Walker catches that ball. Not a problem.
You are just making excuses for the inexcusable.
Noot had a mental lapse. Can't happen. Period. He should have been removed or reprimanded or fined. Doubt any of the latter happened either. Marmol is no leader. He is a unqualified, wanna be bro, pseudo-manager.

Cards4life, you make sensible statements. That doesn't fit into 1964's "What If" fantasy world. See in 1964's alternate reality, Nootbaar was the star of the game. The Cardinals really lost because the DH Walker somehow dropped the ball and Pallante gave up a single.

Thx Juan.
I know. I have reread his posts several times and you can't make this stuff up. He actually tried to say Noot saved a run.om that play. I mean, WHAT PLANET AM I LIVING ON??????? This world is in sad shape my friend.

It is very strange that people can have takes that are undeniably wrong but continue to argue them. I know the dude is stubborn, but I laughed out loud when he claimed Nootbaar SAVED a run. Wow.

Don't get me started, lol. That is just another example and microcosm of our society these days. People can and will made up lunacy as FACT and you cannot convince them otherwise. Again, I often wonder what planet I am on?!?

This particular poster claims he has me on ignore. Yet somehow sees what I post in replies to him. He usually reacts with bizarre replies informing me how stupid I am compared to him. So be prepared in case he includes you in his strange and slightly unhinged reply.

[OldRed]

Cost Pallente a run and eventually the game

0-4 with 3ks, swings at ball 4 in dirt to end game after passively begging to walk in previous at bats

He won’t forget his last game at Busch 3

The Last of the Nootbaar

Good riddance Clown Boy

There are no excuses for not knowing how many outs there in an inning. I was surprised Caray was critical of the play and later when I listed to the recap on KMOX Rooney and Horton were also critical of his play.

You could tell it upset Pallante because immediately Blake when out to calm him down.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I'm not so sure that they do trade Nootbaar. I don't think they'll just give him away to get rid of him. And I don't think that they should just get rid of him to make room for Baez, unless they truly believe that he is ready.