Fermin

[Whatashame]

Jose is a solid utility man.

This is really what Fermin is. He is more than capable of giving a guy a day off when needed and can give you a good AB in a PH role but is exposed as an everyday player. He just isn’t an everyday player who should be getting everyday ABs. Maybe because of need but this everyday run he is getting is asking more of him than he can do.

[Ozziesfan41]

How good would Fermin be playing every day at Second.

Just a question.

Overexposure might not be a good thing OR

(But I think I see where you're going.....trade M. Winn for a starter, move JJW to SS?)

Yea but making two positions significantly weaker doesn’t make the team better

Well you would be strengthening the starting pitcher since Winn could bring back a low #2/high #3 starter.

And you would be getting a (future since I'm sure we agree JJW is going to just get better & better as a hitter) big boost of offense at SS.

I'm not for Fermin taking over 2nd base, but that position could be upgraded via FA or even another trade.

I have no issue dealing Winn for a starting pitcher sometime over the next two years.

And getting a regression in offense at second base while weakening the up the middle defense significantly and they would be losing close games because of it instead of winning them making the team worse doesn’t make the team better

All you'd need to add for "+" Ozzie is to find a 2nd Baseman w/an OPS above .643 (Winn's current OPS) to have a positive offensive keystone combo!

2027 FA 2nd Basemen:

Jazz Chisholm: 2024-Present - 71 HR/100 SB/.243 .320 .444 .765
Luis Arraez: 2024 -Present - 308 .343 .405 .748
Brandon Lowe: 2024-Present - 74 HR/210 RBI/.252 .313 .479 .792

Ozzie Albies (Club option)

Add any one of them and you've got a HUGE offensive upgrade at 2B to go along w/JJW at SS.

Fully acknowledging I'm giving up defense for a big offensive upgrade on a team desperate for offense.

But I'm willing to do that on this team since I'm upgrading the starting staff dealing Winn for pitching and the offense!

What have they won w/Winn? Nothing.

And neither of us has any idea if they'd "lose close games", that pure conjecture on your part.

Sure if you sign one of them you can trade Winn and take the loss defensively but to trade Winn in the hope and prayer one of them wants to and will sign with the cardinals is a pretty horrific strategy. I mean sure if you ask me hey the cardinals will land an all star second baseman if they trade Winn of course yes but that’s a pipe dream

[rockondlouie]

How good would Fermin be playing every day at Second.

Just a question.

Overexposure might not be a good thing OR

(But I think I see where you're going.....trade M. Winn for a starter, move JJW to SS?)

Yea but making two positions significantly weaker doesn’t make the team better

Well you would be strengthening the starting pitcher since Winn could bring back a low #2/high #3 starter.

And you would be getting a (future since I'm sure we agree JJW is going to just get better & better as a hitter) big boost of offense at SS.

I'm not for Fermin taking over 2nd base, but that position could be upgraded via FA or even another trade.

I have no issue dealing Winn for a starting pitcher sometime over the next two years.

And getting a regression in offense at second base while weakening the up the middle defense significantly and they would be losing close games because of it instead of winning them making the team worse doesn’t make the team better

All you'd need to add for "+" Ozzie is to find a 2nd Baseman w/an OPS above .643 (Winn's current OPS) to have a positive offensive keystone combo!

2027 FA 2nd Basemen:

Jazz Chisholm: 2024-Present - 71 HR/100 SB/.243 .320 .444 .765
Luis Arraez: 2024 -Present - 308 .343 .405 .748
Brandon Lowe: 2024-Present - 74 HR/210 RBI/.252 .313 .479 .792

Ozzie Albies (Club option)

Add any one of them and you've got a HUGE offensive upgrade at 2B to go along w/JJW at SS.

Fully acknowledging I'm giving up defense for a big offensive upgrade on a team desperate for offense.

But I'm willing to do that on this team since I'm upgrading the starting staff dealing Winn for pitching and the offense!

What have they won w/Winn? Nothing.

And neither of us has any idea if they'd "lose close games", that pure conjecture on your part.

Sure if you sign one of them you can trade Winn and take the loss defensively but to trade Winn in the hope and prayer one of them wants to and will sign with the cardinals is a pretty horrific strategy. I mean sure if you ask me hey the cardinals will land an all star second baseman if they trade Winn of course yes but that’s a pipe dream

And now we have some J. Holliday/22 yrs old rumors (bogus of course) but he's another 2nd base option should that (not likely) ever happen.