Team negatively affected by Bloom selling not supporting

[JuanAgosto]

Boo hoo.

Maybe if Mase didn't suck all year, we wouldn't be in this position.

+1

EVERY player in MLB knows their team is likely looking to make moves this time of the year and aren't pouting about it.

If you’re a player do you want the team to add talent to help win the remainder of season or trade the players who have been instrumental in winning.
This attitude that Cards players on this current are just fine going through the motions for 2-3 more years when the magical time comes when BDW might start spending money and Bloom Farm might start fielding Allstars on the MLB team is ridiculous. What does that plan do for the players currently on the field who were keeping the club in contention? NOTHING

No one thinks the rebuild will be 3-4 years.

It absolutely will be 3-4 years. This year, next year, and we are led to believe they will "look to begin competing " in 2028. No guarantee they are competing in 28. BDW and Mozeliak (upset) away an entire season in 25 with the stupid runway nonsense.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

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Lance Lynn chimes in.

[Goldfan]

This is who the Cardinals are. They are no more a mid market team but now a small market team like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland and hopefully Milwaukee. The days of 3 million fans and being able to outspend Cincy,Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are over. Ownership sees it and made the move to Bloom with orders to cut the payroll and sell the fans on a brighter future. Accept it or move on.

Excellent post.

So fans leaving had nothing to do with years of incompetence and losing but one day half woke up and realized they were a small market team and decided not spend $$ on Cards Baseball……

[TopofthePerch]

This is who the Cardinals are. They are no more a mid market team but now a small market team like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland and hopefully Milwaukee. The days of 3 million fans and being able to outspend Cincy,Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are over. Ownership sees it and made the move to Bloom with orders to cut the payroll and sell the fans on a brighter future. Accept it or move on.

Excellent post.

Sorry maybe I am taking stupid pills by the handful but a lot of people were mad when they played in the mid market and the future went out the window. So you really think that rebuilding and player development doesn't work. If you don't spend towards the top what is the other option ? I would argue that developing solid prospects at all levels and not trading away the best players when they are do a big raise would be the best way to start building. Every small market team you mentioned rebuilds by trading their stars. You can't compare them to any of those small market teams yet. This is the first year. This is how every rebuild that has ever been done works. The Mets, Phillies,Red Sox, Giants and Astros have all went through a similar process at some point. This is how every rebuild that has ever been done works. It will take time . Like it or not that's reality.

[TopofthePerch]

This is who the Cardinals are. They are no more a mid market team but now a small market team like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland and hopefully Milwaukee. The days of 3 million fans and being able to outspend Cincy,Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are over. Ownership sees it and made the move to Bloom with orders to cut the payroll and sell the fans on a brighter future. Accept it or move on.

Excellent post.

Sorry maybe I am taking stupid pills by the handful but a lot of people were mad when they played in the mid market and the future went out the window. So you really think that rebuilding and player development doesn't work. If you don't spend towards the top what is the other option ? I would argue that developing solid prospects at all levels and not trading away the best players when they are do a big raise would be the best way to start building. Every small market team you mentioned rebuilds by trading their stars. You can't compare them to any of those small market teams yet. This is the first year. This is how every rebuild that has ever been done works. The Mets, Phillies,Red Sox, Giants and Astros have all went through a similar process at some point. It will take time . Like it or not that's reality.

[Goldfan]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

[Ozziesfan41]

This is who the Cardinals are. They are no more a mid market team but now a small market team like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland and hopefully Milwaukee. The days of 3 million fans and being able to outspend Cincy,Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are over. Ownership sees it and made the move to Bloom with orders to cut the payroll and sell the fans on a brighter future. Accept it or move on.

Excellent post.

So fans leaving had nothing to do with years of incompetence and losing but one day half woke up and realized they were a small market team and decided not spend $$ on Cards Baseball……

Remember when you and a lot of others were posting fans needed to stop coming to support the team to send a message to Dewitt and later when Dewitt was asked about some fans calling for that Dewitt scoffed and said their payroll is tied directly to revenue from attendance and ticket sales. And then when attendance started falling you and others were super happy because it sent a message to the Dewitt’s and now payroll is dropping. Yea congratulations you got what you wanted so why would you whine and cry about getting what you wanted?

[Futuregm2]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

I don’t understand why it’s so bad or crazy. Heck we don’t even know how much of a season there will be in 2027. And it’s likely this offseason will be very hectic before the lockout.

This team is farther back from the Brewers right now than they were a year ago in the standings. And they still have a great system. To compete with them is going to take time. 2028 may even be overly optimistic.

[Goldfan]

This is who the Cardinals are. They are no more a mid market team but now a small market team like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland and hopefully Milwaukee. The days of 3 million fans and being able to outspend Cincy,Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are over. Ownership sees it and made the move to Bloom with orders to cut the payroll and sell the fans on a brighter future. Accept it or move on.

Excellent post.

So fans leaving had nothing to do with years of incompetence and losing but one day half woke up and realized they were a small market team and decided not spend $$ on Cards Baseball……

Remember when you and a lot of others were posting fans needed to stop coming to support the team to send a message to Dewitt and later when Dewitt was asked about some fans calling for that Dewitt scoffed and said their payroll is tied directly to revenue from attendance and ticket sales. And then when attendance started falling you and others were super happy because it sent a message to the Dewitt’s and now payroll is dropping. Yea congratulations you got what you wanted so why would you whine and cry about getting what you wanted?

Oz….I’ll see if my super powers work on you. Get a life…..go outside and don’t post here for a week.

[Goldfan]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

I don’t understand why it’s so bad or crazy. Heck we don’t even know how much of a season there will be in 2027. And it’s likely this offseason will be very hectic before the lockout.

This team is farther back from the Brewers right now than they were a year ago in the standings. And they still have a great system. To compete with them is going to take time. 2028 may even be overly optimistic.

Can someone explain why BDW can no longer spend $$. They greatest years in modern Cards history they only key players from org were
Pujols
Molina
And I guess Waino(Atlanta origin)

Emonds
Rolen
Carpenter
Walker
Izzy
Holliday
Beltran
Berkman
Woody
Lohse
Suppan
Renteria
Vina
Womack
Freese
Were ALL FA or Traded for $$ vets

[ecleme22]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

I don’t understand why it’s so bad or crazy. Heck we don’t even know how much of a season there will be in 2027. And it’s likely this offseason will be very hectic before the lockout.

This team is farther back from the Brewers right now than they were a year ago in the standings. And they still have a great system. To compete with them is going to take time. 2028 may even be overly optimistic.

Can someone explain why BDW can no longer spend $$. They greatest years in modern Cards history they only key players from org were
Pujols
Molina
And I guess Waino(Atlanta origin)

Emonds
Rolen
Carpenter
Walker
Izzy
Holliday
Beltran
Berkman
Woody
Lohse
Suppan
Renteria
Vina
Womack
Freese
Were ALL FA or Traded for $$ vets

The Ricketts lowered payroll during their rebuild

[Goldfan]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

I don’t understand why it’s so bad or crazy. Heck we don’t even know how much of a season there will be in 2027. And it’s likely this offseason will be very hectic before the lockout.

This team is farther back from the Brewers right now than they were a year ago in the standings. And they still have a great system. To compete with them is going to take time. 2028 may even be overly optimistic.

Can someone explain why BDW can no longer spend $$. They greatest years in modern Cards history they only key players from org were
Pujols
Molina
And I guess Waino(Atlanta origin)

Emonds
Rolen
Carpenter
Walker
Izzy
Holliday
Beltran
Berkman
Woody
Lohse
Suppan
Renteria
Vina
Womack
Freese
Were ALL FA or Traded for $$ vets

The Ricketts lowered payroll during their rebuild

BDW went from 180>>>>100….its lowered. My question is WHY can’t he spend now? This team was 1st in WC…….therefore they were winning. It’s a young team now…..with more youngsters coming soon as ya’ll constantly tell me……they should only be better…..with a couple $$ players they could be very good……so why not spend some $$??

[Ozziesfan41]

This is who the Cardinals are. They are no more a mid market team but now a small market team like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland and hopefully Milwaukee. The days of 3 million fans and being able to outspend Cincy,Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are over. Ownership sees it and made the move to Bloom with orders to cut the payroll and sell the fans on a brighter future. Accept it or move on.

Excellent post.

So fans leaving had nothing to do with years of incompetence and losing but one day half woke up and realized they were a small market team and decided not spend $$ on Cards Baseball……

Remember when you and a lot of others were posting fans needed to stop coming to support the team to send a message to Dewitt and later when Dewitt was asked about some fans calling for that Dewitt scoffed and said their payroll is tied directly to revenue from attendance and ticket sales. And then when attendance started falling you and others were super happy because it sent a message to the Dewitt’s and now payroll is dropping. Yea congratulations you got what you wanted so why would you whine and cry about getting what you wanted?

Oz….I’ll see if my super powers work on you. Get a life…..go outside and don’t post here for a week.

The only super power you have is to whine and cry and complain at superhuman levels

[Bomber1]

Boo hoo.

Maybe if Mase didn't suck all year, we wouldn't be in this position.

I’m assuming you’ve never played team sports….

I played baseball in college on a full ride. Masyn has not been great....what does that have to do with anything?

How many seasons would you be agreeable to lose……and in this case with this season, winning and being told no support to continue winning is coming and teammates will be traded. You’d be just fine with that, as a player?

They are being PAID to perform to the best of their ability….

If a player quits the club will no doubt notice and hopefully dump them…

And fans expect their owners to perform…..not gut 80mil from payroll and use some perpetual rebuild narrative as an excuse not to spend

My God you are tiresome.

There are 15 other threads on the front page alone why are you here??? You could be engaging in ANY other topic but choose to waste your precious time writing that…..oh the irony

I’ve read every post in this thread.

Exactly 1 other poster agrees with you.

Every other respondent disagrees with you.

And you ask why I’M here?

Ok.

“Being hated by idiots is the price you pay for not being one of them”
Ole 2NIR is so disturbed by my postings he blocked me…..now I don’t chase him around this forum and rarely even directly respond to his posts but he had to block me because he couldn’t keep himself his finger from opening and reading sometimes alternative views in contrast with Cardinals FO propaganda. If those are your barometer for intelligent posters who “disagree” with me set your standards higher

Ok - 1 poster agreed with you and 1 poster said he’s blocked you.

Probably 20 other posters slso responded and they all disagreed with your take. Are they all unintelligent posters as you seem to think?

As I’ve said before at one time I thought you were actually a decent poster whose opinion I agreed with much of the time.

But that was back when the useless slug Mozeliak was dragging this club into oblivion.

There will be good times in Cardinal land again. But you seem to think the change should be instantaneous.

Most others including me realize it will take time. I myself believe this club will compete by 2029 with improvement each year until then.

I certainly am not looking forward to 2 more years of your incessant negativity until then but whatever.

Last post on this subject.

[imyourhuckleberry]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

I don’t understand why it’s so bad or crazy. Heck we don’t even know how much of a season there will be in 2027. And it’s likely this offseason will be very hectic before the lockout.

This team is farther back from the Brewers right now than they were a year ago in the standings. And they still have a great system. To compete with them is going to take time. 2028 may even be overly optimistic.

Can someone explain why BDW can no longer spend $$. They greatest years in modern Cards history they only key players from org were
Pujols
Molina
And I guess Waino(Atlanta origin)

Emonds
Rolen
Carpenter
Walker
Izzy
Holliday
Beltran
Berkman
Woody
Lohse
Suppan
Renteria
Vina
Womack
Freese
Were ALL FA or Traded for $$ vets

The Ricketts lowered payroll during their rebuild

BDW went from 180>>>>100….its lowered. My question is WHY can’t he spend now? This team was 1st in WC…….therefore they were winning. It’s a young team now…..with more youngsters coming soon as ya’ll constantly tell me……they should only be better…..with a couple $$ players they could be very good……so why not spend some $$??

Who could he have spent on when they were 1st in the WC standings?

[mattmitchl44]

https://x.com/ThomasGauvain2/status/208 ... 13096?s=20

I don’t understand why it’s so bad or crazy. Heck we don’t even know how much of a season there will be in 2027. And it’s likely this offseason will be very hectic before the lockout.

This team is farther back from the Brewers right now than they were a year ago in the standings. And they still have a great system. To compete with them is going to take time. 2028 may even be overly optimistic.

Can someone explain why BDW can no longer spend $$. They greatest years in modern Cards history they only key players from org were
Pujols
Molina
And I guess Waino(Atlanta origin)

Emonds
Rolen
Carpenter
Walker
Izzy
Holliday
Beltran
Berkman
Woody
Lohse
Suppan
Renteria
Vina
Womack
Freese
Were ALL FA or Traded for $$ vets

The Ricketts lowered payroll during their rebuild

Houston reduced payroll during their rebuild (hit 30th in 2013).
Atlanta reduced payroll during their rebuild (hit 22nd in 2015).
Philadelphia reduced payroll during their rebuild (hit 23rd in 2018).

All teams with deeper pockets than the Cardinals, all rolled back spending to low levels during their rebuilding years.

I don't know why people act like they don't get this.