Have the HBP taken a toll on Ivan Herrera?

[Futuregm2]

He's been hit by 25 pitches this season, 40 over the last 2 seasons. And he got hit for the first time last night in the past 16 games. But over that period between his last HBP and the most recent one, he hit .143/.179/.190. 1 XBH in 67 PA. He's not even walking, 2 walks in 67 PA after having 49 in his first 388 PA.

[sikeston bulldog2]

He's been hit by 25 pitches this season, 40 over the last 2 seasons. And he got hit for the first time last night in the past 16 games. But over that period between his last HBP and the most recent one, he hit .143/.179/.190. 1 XBH in 67 PA. He's not even walking, 2 walks in 67 PA after having 49 in his first 388 PA.

Then why trade walk diminish is huge! At this rate that’s about 11 total walks to come.

[rockondlouie]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

[Colotiger]

It’s also insane to bat him cleanup.

[Melville]

He's been hit by 25 pitches this season, 40 over the last 2 seasons. And he got hit for the first time last night in the past 16 games. But over that period between his last HBP and the most recent one, he hit .143/.179/.190. 1 XBH in 67 PA. He's not even walking, 2 walks in 67 PA after having 49 in his first 388 PA.

Herrera was a long history of running hot and cold - far more so than most players.
I have made that perfect point many times in the past.
It has nothing to do with being hit by pitches.
His track record with XBH's - as you correctly note above - is spotty in the extreme.
Every long and then, they come in bunches.
But more often than not they are few and far between.

[RamFan08NY]

It’s also insane to bat him cleanup.

I friggin hate ivan and JW switching spots in the lineup.

[DIAMONDINTHEROUGH]

I doubt it. Miklasz said on his show Marmol is playing him too much.

[Cardinals4Life]

It’s also insane to bat him cleanup.

And to hit Walker - the league leader in RBIs - in the 2 hole!

[Jatalk]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

Agree or make part of a big trade deal. Catchers are in demand albeit he has some issues.

[Melville]

I doubt it. Miklasz said on his show Marmol is playing him too much.

Nonsense.
He has never known what he is talking about.
Playing time has nothing to do with it.
Rather, this is simply who Herrera has always been.
A singles hitter who every now and then goes on a brief run of XBH's.
I documented this last season when everyone other than I was badly fooled by a brief stretch of a few weeks in September.
I said Herrera would repeat the same pattern this year - and, of course, I was right.
In May, Herrera 9 XBH's - which was pretty good.
Some here (I am too much the gentlemen to name names) heralded that as proving Herrera was a key long term fixture for STL for years to come.
I said give him time.
Sure enough.
In June he had 4 XBH's.
In July, he has racked up an impressive 2 XBH's.
Doesn't make him a bad guy.
Just extremely streaky.
And most certainly not a core player.

[Melville]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

Agree or make part of a big trade deal. Catchers are in demand albeit he has some issues.

One of which being he isn't an MLB level catcher and never will be.

[DIAMONDINTHEROUGH]

I doubt it. Miklasz said on his show Marmol is playing him too much.

Nonsense.
He has never known what he is talking about.
Playing time has nothing to do with it.
Rather, this is simply who Herrera has always been.
A singles hitter who every now and then goes on a brief run of XBH's.
I documented this last season when everyone other than I was badly fooled by a brief stretch of a few weeks in September.
I said Herrera would repeat the same pattern this year - and, of course, I was right.
In May, Herrera 9 XBH's - which was pretty good.
Some here (I am too much the gentlemen to name names) heralded that as proving Herrera was a key long term fixture for STL for years to come.
I said give him time.
Sure enough.
In June he had 4 XBH's.
In July, he has racked up an impressive 2 XBH's.
Doesn't make him a bad guy.
Just extremely streaky.
And most certainly not a core player.

But has he been in this long of a slump before? Not in my recollection.

[Jatalk]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

Agree or make part of a big trade deal. Catchers are in demand albeit he has some issues.

One of which being he isn't an MLB level catcher and never will be.

I don’t disagree but there are teams that would still use him in the right situations. His selling point is his bat.

[renostl]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

Agree or make part of a big trade deal. Catchers are in demand albeit he has some issues.

IF Herrera cannot catch at least part-time, he loses value, imo.
IF the teams full-time catcher is not complete on both sides of the ball
then Herrera complicates the roster when you have IH at the DH you
need that 3rd catcher, who probably is even less productive.

I don't see Herrera bat being quite enough to create such clutter and this
opinion isn't putting it all on IH, the full-time guy needs to be more.
Imagine if either Crooks or Bernal had Langelier's production.

[Melville]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

Agree or make part of a big trade deal. Catchers are in demand albeit he has some issues.

One of which being he isn't an MLB level catcher and never will be.

I don’t disagree but there are teams that would still use him in the right situations. His selling point is his bat.

That bat is currently in the clearance bin.

[Melville]

Very possible.

As have the foul tips off his (fill in the body part) while catching along w/a sore right hand from catching 90+ MPH fastballs.

I'd like to see C. Bloom/Oli sit him down now and tell him:

"Ivan you're a big part of this team going forward...............just NOT behind the plate".

DH him the remainder of the season.

Give him a 1st baseman's mitt next spring and then give him some time vs LHSP's (Burly get's a day off) next season.

But let him know his catching days are over.

He has NO VALUE behind the plate especially w/L. Bernal & of course R.R. steaming towards St. Louis.

His future here is at DH and as a possible P-T (25%) 1st baseman vs LHSP.

JMO

Agree or make part of a big trade deal. Catchers are in demand albeit he has some issues.

IF Herrera cannot catch at least part-time, he loses value, imo.
IF the teams full-time catcher is not complete on both sides of the ball
then Herrera complicates the roster when you have IH at the DH you
need that 3rd catcher, who probably is even less productive.

I don't see Herrera bat being quite enough to create such clutter and this
opinion isn't putting it all on IH, the full-time guy needs to be more.
Imagine if either Crooks or Bernal had Langelier's production.

Your analysis is perfect.