The Sharks had the same amount of points as the Blues. All this shows us is that once again lotteries are the dumbest way to decide draft picks.
I don’t mind it.
Discourages tanking from teams.
Vancouver tanked about as well as they possibly could….
Not really worth it IMO
Except it doesn’t discourage teams from tanking, the NBA and NHL have tankers each and every year.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guarranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
I don’t mind it.
Discourages tanking from teams.
Vancouver tanked about as well as they possibly could….
Not really worth it IMO
Except it doesn’t discourage teams from tanking, the NBA and NHL have tankers each and every year.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guaranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
You're missing the point. They were NOT guaranteed Celebrini. You shouldn't be rewarded for tanking with the guaranteed 1st pick.
Except it doesn’t discourage teams from tanking, the NBA and NHL have tankers each and every year.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guaranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
You're missing the point. They were NOT guaranteed Celebrini. You shouldn't be rewarded for tanking with the guaranteed 1st pick.
The point is that tanking greatly increased their odds which is what they intended. Was it guaranteed? No, but when you have close to a 30% chance and the rest have a 20% chance or below then the odds are in your favor.
What was guaranteed however is that they would have multiple top 3 picks so they were still be rewarded for tanking.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guaranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
You're missing the point. They were NOT guaranteed Celebrini. You shouldn't be rewarded for tanking with the guaranteed 1st pick.
The point is that tanking greatly increased their odds which is what they intended. Was it guaranteed? No, but when you have close to a 30% chance and the rest have a 20% chance or below then the odds are in your favor.
What was guaranteed however is that they would have multiple top 3 picks so they were still be rewarded for tanking.
Have you read the original post that i was responding to?
The poster said that he thinks there should be no lottery at all. You finish last, you get the top pick.
I responde3d that I think the current lottery system is much better than that.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guaranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
You're missing the point. They were NOT guaranteed Celebrini. You shouldn't be rewarded for tanking with the guaranteed 1st pick.
The point is that tanking greatly increased their odds which is what they intended. Was it guaranteed? No, but when you have close to a 30% chance and the rest have a 20% chance or below then the odds are in your favor.
What was guaranteed however is that they would have multiple top 3 picks so they were still be rewarded for tanking.
Have you read the original post that i was responding to?
The poster said that he thinks there should be no lottery at all. You finish last, you get the top pick.
I responde3d that I think the current lottery system is much better than that.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guaranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
You're missing the point. They were NOT guaranteed Celebrini. You shouldn't be rewarded for tanking with the guaranteed 1st pick.
The point is that tanking greatly increased their odds which is what they intended. Was it guaranteed? No, but when you have close to a 30% chance and the rest have a 20% chance or below then the odds are in your favor.
What was guaranteed however is that they would have multiple top 3 picks so they were still be rewarded for tanking.
When you have a 30% chance, the odds are absolutely not in your favor. The field has the odds in their favor. 30% may be better any other individual team, but not overall.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guaranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
Yes this year, but they got Celebrini because they absolutely went into tanking mode.
I prefer the San Jose this year over the one that was as bad as the Caps inaugural season.
You're missing the point. They were NOT guaranteed Celebrini. You shouldn't be rewarded for tanking with the guaranteed 1st pick.
The point is that tanking greatly increased their odds which is what they intended. Was it guaranteed? No, but when you have close to a 30% chance and the rest have a 20% chance or below then the odds are in your favor.
What was guaranteed however is that they would have multiple top 3 picks so they were still be rewarded for tanking.
When you have a 30% chance, the odds are absolutely not in your favor. The field has the odds in their favor. 30% may be better any other individual team, but not overall.
The Sharks had the same amount of points as the Blues. All this shows us is that once again lotteries are the dumbest way to decide draft picks.
I don’t mind it.
Discourages tanking from teams.
Vancouver tanked about as well as they possibly could….
Not really worth it IMO
Except it doesn’t discourage teams from tanking, the NBA and NHL have tankers each and every year.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guarranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
So you don’t believe a team should tank and be rewarded but it’s okay to tank, get better, and then be rewarded when the efforts of your tank begin to bear fruit and your team starts playing better?
Apples and Oranges. One is luck of the draw. The other is akin to poor sportsmanship.
Luck of the draw. As the other guy said sell that to season ticket holders.
Just out of curiosity, didn’t San Jose just spend several years tanking? But now they deserve it. Funny how that works.
Well, this STH, and most STH's I know, would much rather see them playing to win, if they lose, so be it.
As far as San Jose, if they want to play like [shirt] on purpose,don't care, not my team. And again, luck of the draw.
Yea see I agree with you, teams should play to win. But they don’t all do that, they never have regardless of the system in which draft picks are decided. At least not in the modern era since the money involved has exploded.
Which tells me again that the lotteries very clearly don’t do what they were intended to do. If you or anyone else prefers luck of draw then hey so be it, but referring to lottery results as such is admitting that it is a random, arbitrary process and I just prefer the more logical process that is out there instead.
I don’t mind it.
Discourages tanking from teams.
Vancouver tanked about as well as they possibly could….
Not really worth it IMO
Except it doesn’t discourage teams from tanking, the NBA and NHL have tankers each and every year.
So you would rather make sure that the team that loses on purpose the best gets the guaranteed first overall pick.
Got it. I don’t agree with it…but it.
There is no perfect solution…but if a team loses on purpose…they should still NEVER be guaranteed the 1st overall pick. That would encourage tanking even more than it already does. Baseball has 4-6 teams every year that tank…..fans hate it.
Baseball also has a lottery.
And yes, I believe common sense should prevail. Is it pretty or perfect? No. Does it stop tanking? No.
But neither do the lotteries. Very obviously so as tanking is a bigger conversation than it has ever been.
But hey, I do enjoy watching these leagues galaxy brain their way into thinking they’ll fix a problem by bringing more and more dumb luck into the process.
Teams that lose on purpose shouldn’t be guaranteed anything.
Tell the season ticket holders that spent $8,000 before the season started to watch the Blues…..On January 1st….”sorry, but we don’t want to win another game for a better draft pick.” My guess is it would (bleep) off a lot of those season ticket holders.
Tell those same season tickets holders they lose the same amount of games and don’t get the light at the end of the tunnel of a high pick because a division rival in San Jose, teeming with U-21 talent already, jumped them.
There are bad teams every year regardless. I’d rather a team “earn” the pick rather than lucking into it.
It’s really as simple as that for me. Someone has to lose, might as well have it mean something.
How is losing on purpose "earning" anything?
How is jumping 7 or 9 teams in the draft because a ping pong ball bounced a certain way earning anything?
As I have multiple times, there is not a perfect solution. I simply favor letting results speak louder than luck.
I would say this year showed it was done the right way.
Vancouver tried to tank and was not rewarded for it.
San Jose is building a team the right way and was not trying to tank and they jumped up.
Well deserved all around in my opinion.
San Jose absolutely tanked. They traded every player that they possibly could to ensure losing after Covid. It was a complete tear down
That was 5 years ago.
My point is that if you tank a season...you should not be guarranteed the top pick after the year.
Vancouver tanked this year and fell to 3rd.
San Jose did not tank this year, they showed up and tries to make the playoffs yet they got the 2nd overall pick.
Well deserved IMO.
So you don’t believe a team should tank and be rewarded but it’s okay to tank, get better, and then be rewarded when the efforts of your tank begin to bear fruit and your team starts playing better?
I’m looking at one season at a time. I don’t care what happened 5 years ago.
If a team intentionally tanks and doesn’t get the top pick….I think it’s great.
If a team tries to improve and attempts to make the playoffs (but ends up with the 9th worst record)….I think it’s good that they moved up.
The lottery system should be a deterrent for tanking teams. I much rather prefer this method.
Either that or limit a team from being able to draft 1st overall to once every 5-10 years (they already have a similar system in place)
Bubble4427 wrote: ↑07 May 2026 17:11 pm
I’m looking at one season at a time. I don’t care what happened 5 years ago.
If a team intentionally tanks and doesn’t get the top pick….I think it’s great.
If a team tries to improve and attempts to make the playoffs (but ends up with the 9th worst record)….I think it’s good that they moved up.
The lottery system should be a deterrent for tanking teams. I much rather prefer this method.
Either that or limit a team from being able to draft 1st overall to once every 5-10 years (they already have a similar system in place)
Fair enough, I’m just pointing out that the team you say deserves a high pick for trying only did so because their tank job over the past few years was successful. San Jose will be a team the next tanker points to as to why they are tearing it down and trying to lose.
