McGreevy

[sikeston bulldog2]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

I’d go as far and say he is the Ace of this team.

[Cardinals1964]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

I’d go as far and say he is the Ace of this team.

He’s definitely been a bright spot.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

I’d go as far and say he is the Ace of this team.

He’s definitely been a bright spot.

The argument about sustainability is a true one. I generally look at pitchers year to year, usually up then down or vice verse.

But I look at a in season performance as more sustainable than career sustainment.

Hope that makes sense.

[mattmitchl44]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

No one is complaining about what he HAS DONE.

But that is different from observing what is likely to happen in the future.

[Melville]

The bad:
-He's not a strikeout pitcher. Striking out 5.5 hitters per nine, and slightly more (still under six) for his career.

Outs don't care how they are achieved.
Just as runs don't care how they are accomplished.
The scoreboard only cares about recording 27 outs and tallying how many runs are or are not scored.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The bad:
-He's not a strikeout pitcher. Striking out 5.5 hitters per nine, and slightly more (still under six) for his career.

Outs don't care how they are achieved.
Just as runs don't care how they are accomplished.
The scoreboard only cares about recording 27 outs and tallying how many runs are or are not scored.

Can you tally an unscored run?

[jr2116017]

reminds me of a pitcher named John Tudor but McGreevy is a right hander

[Melville]

K/9 BB/9 HR/9
5.46 1.88 1.13
5.49 1.83 1.14

Those are McGreevy's numbers from last year and this. I can't tell the difference.

mattmitchell mentioned his BABIP. Last year it was 287.

And MLB average BABIP has been around .290.

So, yeah, BABIP .209 ---> ERA 2.52. But BABIP .287 ---> ERA 4.42.

There is, with near 100% certainty, a lot of "regression to the mean" coming in McGreevy's future.

Right, because everyone has to be average. Nobody can actually be good.

That...is not remotely what that means.

Walt,

I know what he means. My point being that MattMitch never values on field production - things that are actually happening/happened. Instead, he ALWAYS geeks out and tries to predict everything.

McGreevy is a special player. He may not blow you away with raw power, but he knows how to pitch, throws multiple pitches (7, if I am counting correctly) for strikes, pitches ahead, rarely walks guys, and is very smart. He is also a competitor.

I'll take my chances with Michael McGreevy any day of the week.

The Braves did OK taking their chances with Maddux and his low career K rate of 6%.
Those who want to compare McGreevy with Mikolas have no understanding of this game and need to leave the analysis to those of us who do.

[Melville]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

No one is complaining about what he HAS DONE.

But that is different from observing what is likely to happen in the future.

His K rate has zero to do with "what is likely to happen in the future".
I have seen that argument several times in this thread and it is utterly ridiculous.

[Melville]

The bad:
-He's not a strikeout pitcher. Striking out 5.5 hitters per nine, and slightly more (still under six) for his career.

Outs don't care how they are achieved.
Just as runs don't care how they are accomplished.
The scoreboard only cares about recording 27 outs and tallying how many runs are or are not scored.

Can you tally an unscored run?

Yes, it shows up as a zero.
Interesting that the concept of a zero was the last numeral that was invented and is properly understood as one of the most important advancements in human history.
Original concepts of counting and recording data did not recognize, understand, or incorporate the importance of a zero.
But once the zero was identified and understood, human advancement moved forward in many ways.
Oddly relevant to this conversation as well.
It is the ZERO, not the strikeout, which matters most.
I will take zero runs surrendered in an inning, over 1 K recorded in an inning, every single time.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The bad:
-He's not a strikeout pitcher. Striking out 5.5 hitters per nine, and slightly more (still under six) for his career.

Outs don't care how they are achieved.
Just as runs don't care how they are accomplished.
The scoreboard only cares about recording 27 outs and tallying how many runs are or are not scored.

Can you tally an unscored run?

Yes, it shows up as a zero.
Interesting that the concept of a zero was the last numeral that was invented and is properly understood as one of the most important advancements in human history.
Original concepts of counting and recording data did not recognize, understand, or incorporate the importance of a zero.
But once the zero was identified and understood, human advancement moved forward in many ways.
Oddly relevant to this conversation as well.
It is the ZERO, not the strikeout, which matters most.
I will take zero runs surrendered in an inning, over 1 K recorded in an inning, every single time.

What is the criteria for an unscored run- runner out at home? Runners stranded at second and third?

[Cardinals1964]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

No one is complaining about what he HAS DONE.

But that is different from observing what is likely to happen in the future.

Exactly. Find a way to disparage what he has done. Bottom line is, you don’t know [shirt] about what he will do in the future. Nothing. You have no idea. Unless you tell me, you’re some sort of top baseball executive, and then still, you would know nothing.

[2ninr]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

No one is complaining about what he HAS DONE.

But that is different from observing what is likely to happen in the future.

Exactly. Find a way to disparage what he has done. Bottom line is, you don’t know [shirt] about what he will do in the future. Nothing. You have no idea. Unless you tell me, you’re some sort of top baseball executive, and then still, you would know nothing.

He didn't disparage McGreevy. He told you what is likely to happen with his bapip. And that's a fact. Matt didn't make it up. McGreevy projects as a 4.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

No one is complaining about what he HAS DONE.

But that is different from observing what is likely to happen in the future.

Exactly. Find a way to disparage what he has done. Bottom line is, you don’t know [shirt] about what he will do in the future. Nothing. You have no idea. Unless you tell me, you’re some sort of top baseball executive, and then still, you would know nothing.

He didn't disparage McGreevy. He told you what is likely to happen with his bapip. And that's a fact. Matt didn't make it up. McGreevy projects as a 4.

Projecting as a four is disappointing. Means we still need a real league level ace- from where? A number two, and three.

Does Libby satisfy the three slot.

[bccardsfan]

I think the take on McG lies between the stats and the guy's make up. He is dancing on the edge and you saw that last game. Was in trouble and got some batted ball luck that turned into DPs. If one of those goes through it is a big inning. But the guy is also a battler. He hangs tough and doesn't get rattled. There is an "it" factor. We shall see....

[Cardinals1964]

Let’s argue that a guy that gets outs and has a good ERA, in this day and age, sucks.
How can we make a pitcher that’s getting the job done look bad? How can we complain about him?

No one is complaining about what he HAS DONE.

But that is different from observing what is likely to happen in the future.

Exactly. Find a way to disparage what he has done. Bottom line is, you don’t know [shirt] about what he will do in the future. Nothing. You have no idea. Unless you tell me, you’re some sort of top baseball executive, and then still, you would know nothing.

He didn't disparage McGreevy. He told you what is likely to happen with his bapip. And that's a fact. Matt didn't make it up. McGreevy projects as a 4.

And I told him and I’ll tell you, neither of you know what’s likely to happen. You can guess and have a 50/50 chance of being right. Thanks for defending him. Cream puffs.