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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Mo's impact on today's team is equivalent to a broken clock being right 2 times a day...nothing more.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Galatians221jb1 wrote: 05 May 2026 15:26 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:02 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The drafting/signing of most players was under MO's watch, no doubt. The 'development' has Bloom's fingerprints all over it.

Dont forget that Bloom was an advisor to Mo for two years and was very influential.
Bloom has been integrally involved with the draft, player acquisition, and player development since he’s been here.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Cranny wrote: 05 May 2026 18:41 pm
Galatians221jb1 wrote: 05 May 2026 15:26 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:02 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The drafting/signing of most players was under MO's watch, no doubt. The 'development' has Bloom's fingerprints all over it.

Dont forget that Bloom was an advisor to Mo for two years and was very influential.
Bloom has been integrally involved with the draft, player acquisition, and player development since he’s been here.
+1 O’Brien was picked up because bloom had him with the rays and recommended to mo that he get him
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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WLTFE wrote: 05 May 2026 15:55 pm
Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
He'll most likely be back in a few years to pick up his red jacket
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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sp25 wrote: 05 May 2026 19:07 pm
WLTFE wrote: 05 May 2026 15:55 pm
Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
He'll most likely be back in a few years to pick up his red jacket
OMG How can I unread that!
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Rocket Scientist wrote: 05 May 2026 09:25 am Mo is gone, Team is very watchable. Who knew? Everybody but Mo.
Succint.
Relevant.
Correct.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:36 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:20 am "This is Mo's team developed from the minors."
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
100% agree, Mel. You nailed it.
Appreciate the kind words.
But the truth is pretty obvious, isn't it?
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Bushiro wrote: 05 May 2026 12:52 pm
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 08:22 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:20 am "This is Mo's team developed from the minors."
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
y

Then who drafted them? Just for once admit you are totally wrong.
He's not wrong
Appreciate the kind words.
But the truth is pretty obvious, isn't it?
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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renostl wrote: 05 May 2026 14:14 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 05 May 2026 11:44 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:20 am "This is Mo's team developed from the minors."
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

By what measure? Certainly isn’t fWAR (16th), OPS (15th), or batting average (16th)/OBP (19th)/SLG (13th). And those are out of 23 qualified players. He’s 19th in runs scored, 3rd in RBI, 20th in doubles, T-6th in HRs. 4th highest strikeout total.
It is disingenuous to take RBI's as the sole measurement of production....
You realize that the very definition of production is producing runs, right?
Should be self-evident that production (the ONE thing that determines wins and losses) is more important than how it is achieved.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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hugeCardfan wrote: 05 May 2026 15:04 pm
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:20 am "This is Mo's team developed from the minors."
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
I can get behind most of this. But, I don't have a problem with Mo other than the fact he overstayed his welcome. He was instrumental in signing Pujols and, for that, I'll never hate the guy.
No hate.
Just facts.
Never for or against anyone.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Rocket Scientist wrote: 05 May 2026 19:29 pm
sp25 wrote: 05 May 2026 19:07 pm
WLTFE wrote: 05 May 2026 15:55 pm
Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
He'll most likely be back in a few years to pick up his red jacket
OMG How can I unread that!
He will get a red jacket and deserves one. That shouldn't be an unpopular take. It's also the correct take. It doesn't mean he didn't do a bad job for a number of years and he wore out his welcome. He also had a decade stretch that by all measures was amongst the best in baseball and you would have to leave out a lot of context to deny that.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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TopofthePerch wrote: 05 May 2026 22:09 pm
Rocket Scientist wrote: 05 May 2026 19:29 pm
sp25 wrote: 05 May 2026 19:07 pm
WLTFE wrote: 05 May 2026 15:55 pm
Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
He'll most likely be back in a few years to pick up his red jacket
OMG How can I unread that!
He will get a red jacket and deserves one. That shouldn't be an unpopular take. It's also the correct take. It doesn't mean he didn't do a bad job for a number of years and he wore out his welcome. He also had a decade stretch that by all measures was amongst the best in baseball and you would have to leave out a lot of context to deny that.
Very true.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Rocket Scientist wrote: 05 May 2026 15:29 pm Mo's impact on today's team is equivalent to a broken clock being right 2 times a day...nothing more.
You are being extremely kind and generous in that analogy.
Certainly a show of kindness toward Super Slo Mo, when it would have been easier to take a cheap shot.
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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TopofthePerch wrote: 05 May 2026 22:09 pm
Rocket Scientist wrote: 05 May 2026 19:29 pm
sp25 wrote: 05 May 2026 19:07 pm
WLTFE wrote: 05 May 2026 15:55 pm
Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
He'll most likely be back in a few years to pick up his red jacket
OMG How can I unread that!
He will get a red jacket and deserves one. That shouldn't be an unpopular take. It's also the correct take. It doesn't mean he didn't do a bad job for a number of years and he wore out his welcome. He also had a decade stretch that by all measures was amongst the best in baseball and you would have to leave out a lot of context to deny that.
True but he was also handed a great organization built by Walt lunhow and Tony a well oiled machine the further it got away from them and became mos organization and mo started surrounding himself with yes men and hiring rookie managers the worse it got until it required a tear down and rebuild
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Re: A strange thought on this current Cardinal team

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 05 May 2026 23:08 pm
TopofthePerch wrote: 05 May 2026 22:09 pm
Rocket Scientist wrote: 05 May 2026 19:29 pm
sp25 wrote: 05 May 2026 19:07 pm
WLTFE wrote: 05 May 2026 15:55 pm
Rojo Johnson wrote: 05 May 2026 10:47 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:53 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
The point was ridiculous. Moe floundered for years because he was incompetent and extremely lazy. He may have acquired a number of these players but he didn’t have the slightest idea what to do with them. He was living in the 1980s. Bloom has run circles around that dope.
+1...Mo-ran was a [fork]ing moron!!!...hopefully his stink and punchable face will quickly disappear.
He'll most likely be back in a few years to pick up his red jacket
OMG How can I unread that!
He will get a red jacket and deserves one. That shouldn't be an unpopular take. It's also the correct take. It doesn't mean he didn't do a bad job for a number of years and he wore out his welcome. He also had a decade stretch that by all measures was amongst the best in baseball and you would have to leave out a lot of context to deny that.
True but he was also handed a great organization built by Walt lunhow and Tony a well oiled machine the further it got away from them and became mos organization and mo started surrounding himself with yes men and hiring rookie managers the worse it got until it required a tear down and rebuild
Yes for sure. Bloom is the right guy for the rebuild imo. His true test will be does he get them to be championship contenders. We won't know that for years down the road.