Church over Scott in CF?

[Galatians221jb1]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

[Melville]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Come clean Galatians.
Obvious - and understandable - you prefer going to Church in centerfield.

[Ozziesfan41]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Baez isn’t ready I say give Torres a shot at left and church in center with Scott being the fourth outfielder until noot comes back

[RamFan08NY]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Baez isn’t ready I say give Torres a shot at left and church in center with Scott being the fourth outfielder until noot comes back

I agree with that strategy. Unfortunately, I dont know if the front office is ready to put Scott on the back burner. He's definitely a no value add at this point

[Galatians221jb1]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Come clean Galatians.
Obvious - and understandable - you prefer going to Church in centerfield.

You got me

[cosmo.kramer]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Baez isn’t ready I say give Torres a shot at left and church in center with Scott being the fourth outfielder until noot comes back

I agree with that strategy. Unfortunately, I dont know if the front office is ready to put Scott on the back burner. He's definitely a no value add at this point

Unfortunate for sure. Curious about Torres as well

[Hoosier59]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Baez isn’t ready I say give Torres a shot at left and church in center with Scott being the fourth outfielder until noot comes back

I agree with that strategy. Unfortunately, I dont know if the front office is ready to put Scott on the back burner. He's definitely a no value add at this point

Scott is suppose to be the best base stealer on the team, but he takes terrible leads. On the steal attempt he was thrown out on, he had a huge jump, but was hardly off the base! Church, who’s not as fast as Scott, was safe on his attempt, but only because he had a larger lead. I really like Jon Jay, and believe he is the base running coach, but he was never a base stealer. They need a base stealing coach. I heard Vince Coleman asked once about coaching, and he said he’d love to, but wasn't ever asked! I have to ask, why not?

[Melville]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Come clean Galatians.
Obvious - and understandable - you prefer going to Church in centerfield.

You got me

All kidding aside, Scott will be hearing footsteps from not just Church but also Baez at or before the 100 games mark.
Walker, Gorman, and Scott all went into this season with roughly that leash - and Scott is the one at risk of being put up for adoption.

[JuanAgosto]

I wonder how close oli is to playing Fermin in CF against lh starters?

[TXCardsFanX]

There’s just not enough offense with Scott and it seems Church is an excellent defensive outfielder. Eventually Noot will be back in LF. Baez could also be an excellent outfielder. Scott can bunt and play great defense. Church reminds me a bit of Donovan.

Baez isn’t ready I say give Torres a shot at left and church in center with Scott being the fourth outfielder until noot comes back

I agree with that strategy. Unfortunately, I dont know if the front office is ready to put Scott on the back burner. He's definitely a no value add at this point

Unfortunate for sure. Curious about Torres as well

Torres is on the 40-man roster, has played every position except SS (Including 78 games at Catcher), has a career BA over .300, and has hit his stide in the past 3 seasons.
Seems he should have a spot on this MLB roster over a few guys. At 28, it's really now or never, you would think.

[alw80]

Vic just isn't a major leaguer.

[Basil Shabazz]

The reality is that Churchy is just an all-around better MLB CF than VS2. Honestly, the only thing that VS2 best Church in is probably straight-out speed. Church has more power, better hitter, better on base, better arm, equal base runner, and equal defense.

I am to the point where I would put Church out there every day against both hands and let him have a true audition. VS2 could play in Memphis and try to salvage things.

Bring Torres up in his place and see if his on-base tool plays at the MLB level.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The reality is that Churchy is just an all-around better MLB CF than VS2. Honestly, the only thing that VS2 best Church in is probably straight-out speed. Church has more power, better hitter, better on base, better arm, equal base runner, and equal defense.

I am to the point where I would put Church out there every day against both hands and let him have a true audition. VS2 could play in Memphis and try to salvage things.

Bring Torres up in his place and see if his on-base tool plays at the MLB level.

I hate it for Scott. I am new to Torres. But he plays all positions, and gets on base.

Question- currently we are doing well with JJ at lead off. Torres greatest strength is his on base ability.
Where do you slot him with out upsetting the Apple Cart

[StlMike1969]

The reality is that Churchy is just an all-around better MLB CF than VS2. Honestly, the only thing that VS2 best Church in is probably straight-out speed. Church has more power, better hitter, better on base, better arm, equal base runner, and equal defense.

I am to the point where I would put Church out there every day against both hands and let him have a true audition. VS2 could play in Memphis and try to salvage things.

Bring Torres up in his place and see if his on-base tool plays at the MLB level.

I hate it for Scott. I am new to Torres. But he plays all positions, and gets on base.

Question- currently we are doing well with JJ at lead off. Torres greatest strength is his on base ability.
Where do you slot him with out upsetting the Apple Cart

If Torres proves to spot hit and produce at the MLB level. In this order

Torres
Wetherholt
Burleson
Herrera
Walker
?
?
?
?

[Basil Shabazz]

The reality is that Churchy is just an all-around better MLB CF than VS2. Honestly, the only thing that VS2 best Church in is probably straight-out speed. Church has more power, better hitter, better on base, better arm, equal base runner, and equal defense.

I am to the point where I would put Church out there every day against both hands and let him have a true audition. VS2 could play in Memphis and try to salvage things.

Bring Torres up in his place and see if his on-base tool plays at the MLB level.

I hate it for Scott. I am new to Torres. But he plays all positions, and gets on base.

Question- currently we are doing well with JJ at lead off. Torres greatest strength is his on base ability.
Where do you slot him with out upsetting the Apple Cart

I'd begin w/ Torres in the 9 hole and if his OBP translates to the MLB level, I'd then move him up.

Against RHP
Torres
JJW
Herrera
Burly
Walker
Gorman
Winn
Crooks(yes, I don't care about the K rate. The power plays, and he is as good if not better defensively than Pages)
Church

Against LHP
Torres
JJW
Herrera
Burly
Walker
Gorman
Winn
Saggese/Fermin(take your pick until we get a RH bat w/ some power for this role)
Church

[ramfandan]

article in Post today by Goold on Scott 'Cardinals commit to 'reps' for struggling Scott


Won't copy/paste the entire article as some can read it in entireity .. For those who cannot , some excerpts :

In the midst of the slump, Scott is getting more than words of encouragement.

He’ll continue to get at-bats, his manager said.

“When everyone is getting the reps that are needed,” manager Oli Marmol said, “I don’t think (changing playing time) is that big of a discussion.”
Marmol said he doesn’t expect to rewrite the rotation of outfielders he’s used in the season’s first month and that both Nathan Church and Scott will continue to see regular starts, with Scott as the everyday center fielder. Marmol said he might remove a player from the lineup if a slump appears mentally draining or worsening.

For now, they’ll use the playing time in the outfield while they have it. Lars Nootbaar is a month away from returning from the 60-day injured list, and at that point, the competition for playing time in center could tighten.
“They’re both in a position where they’re trying to settle in and figure out how to sustain success,” Marmol said of Scott and Church.

Throughout spring, Scott improved upon his ability to flip trends of the previous year. He wanted to avoid the ground balls to the right side and the flare fly balls to left field. Those habits have crept back into his game in part because opponents are pitching him in a way that invites those outcomes. In the third inning Tuesday, Scott hit a ground ball down the first base line that he could not outrun before the pitcher tagged him out.

“They’re going to pitch you for you to do exactly that,” Marmol said. “They’re going to force you to pound it into the ground pull-side, where your legs don’t matter. And if you’re going up and away, where it’s a fly ball. It’s understanding how to combat that. That’s why more reps are key.”

Marmol said he and his staff have started a “deep dive” on Scott’s start the season. The goal is to identify more than areas of adjustments but also an order of “attack.”

Reading between the lines , I would say Scott has this next month to turn things around . If not, when Noot returns his playing time will probabl be greatly reduced as Noot would be given starts in LF and Church would certainly get his starts in CF so Scott becomes 4th OF .
In my mind, he would be utililized mostly as pinch runner and possibly late in games , they may remove Noot from LF , move Church from CF to LF and insert Scott in CF for defensive speed upgrade for final inning or two if they have a good lead OR if Noot is not scheduled to come up to bat any more.