How long do they go with Church?

[woofy25]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

72 ABs. The requirement for instant success is hard to understand for those who know anything about baseball. Baseball is hard. Giving up on someone who had .900+ OPS last season in the minors and is the best defensive OFer in the org is wild, especially in a season that everyone admits is not going to be a playoff team.

[butsir01]

I am with you, Juan. Let them play themselves into or out of, our outfield. That’s one of the things this year is for.

[Carp4Cy]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

72 ABs. The requirement for instant success is hard to understand for those who know anything about baseball. Baseball is hard. Giving up on someone who had .900+ OPS last season in the minors and is the best defensive OFer in the org is wild, especially in a season that everyone admits is not going to be a playoff team.

The question is how long?

In your opinion, how many ABs should Luken baker have gotten? He won the AAA slugger award.

Taylor Motter?

[BrockFloodMaris]

He seems solid defensively his bat is a 0 at this point. Since he is young w/ options could they rotate him out in 30/60/90?

And if so who/whom.

Thankfully, my employer doesn’t grade me on one week of work. Extrapolation of one week of data to an entire season is extremely risky.

News flash...

Your employer can lay you off anytime, anyplace.

Thank you Captain flat brim for stating the obvious. You clearly are content multiplying one week’s worth of data by 25 to predict a player’s season. I cannot argue with you. We use different analysis methods. Go Cards!

[ecleme22]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

72 ABs. The requirement for instant success is hard to understand for those who know anything about baseball. Baseball is hard. Giving up on someone who had .900+ OPS last season in the minors and is the best defensive OFer in the org is wild, especially in a season that everyone admits is not going to be a playoff team.

The question is how long?

In your opinion, how many ABs should Luken baker have gotten? He won the AAA slugger award.

Taylor Motter?

HB we just take his playing time from 100% to 40%-to-60% for starters?

Not sure it needs to go from 100% to 0%…

[Jatalk]

The fact people are focused on Church is a mystery. At least he is a good defensive outfielder. Heck Walker can’t even pretend to be a defensive outfielder.

We knew for a fact going into the season the outfield might be the weakest part of the team. So don’t act so surprised at what you are seeing.

[Cusecards]

I don’t know how long I’d go with Church but he deserves some rope.
Like others have said at least he can play very good defense and run.
So he can spell Scott in CF.

[Clubmaker2]

send him down until he learns how to bunt.

[JuanAgosto]

Nothing against Church, but I think Fermin should get a start in LF. He is a better contact bat than Church or Saggese.

It is peculiar that Fermin does not have a single PA.

Very strange. He and Pozo are forgotten by oli.

[woofy25]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

72 ABs. The requirement for instant success is hard to understand for those who know anything about baseball. Baseball is hard. Giving up on someone who had .900+ OPS last season in the minors and is the best defensive OFer in the org is wild, especially in a season that everyone admits is not going to be a playoff team.

The question is how long?

In your opinion, how many ABs should Luken baker have gotten? He won the AAA slugger award.

Taylor Motter?

IDK, but they have moved how many position players without giving them enough ABs over the past 7-8 years? Putting a blanket number on every person doesn’t seem wise.

Luken Baker was a valuable piece against LHP, but he wasn’t good defensively and they didn’t give up on him till he was like 29. Church brings value defensively and is 25

Taylor Motter was 33 by the time he got to the organization.

Those examples aren’t helping your point.

[JDW]

Until they get educated.
Maybe he evolves and adapts with some time.
One week doesn't allow for much education you neanderthals.

[Ozziesfan41]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

72 ABs. The requirement for instant success is hard to understand for those who know anything about baseball. Baseball is hard. Giving up on someone who had .900+ OPS last season in the minors and is the best defensive OFer in the org is wild, especially in a season that everyone admits is not going to be a playoff team.

The question is how long?

In your opinion, how many ABs should Luken baker have gotten? He won the AAA slugger award.

Taylor Motter?

Who do they bring up to replace him Baez? And if so if he struggles do they dump him after 83 at bats also? Since apparently less than 100 career at bats defends your career?

[ilcubuffs]

Gorman has had years to be what he is not - a power bat MLB player. Church should get at least 30 games of consistent playing time, 3-4 starts a week.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

It’s almost like they just started watching the Cardinals this year.

[Carp4Cy]

How about more than a week

Its been more. He was here last year for a month+ with the same results. .436 career OPS.

72 ABs. The requirement for instant success is hard to understand for those who know anything about baseball. Baseball is hard. Giving up on someone who had .900+ OPS last season in the minors and is the best defensive OFer in the org is wild, especially in a season that everyone admits is not going to be a playoff team.

The question is how long?

In your opinion, how many ABs should Luken baker have gotten? He won the AAA slugger award.

Taylor Motter?

IDK, but they have moved how many position players without giving them enough ABs over the past 7-8 years? Putting a blanket number on every person doesn’t seem wise.

Luken Baker was a valuable piece against LHP, but he wasn’t good defensively and they didn’t give up on him till he was like 29. Church brings value defensively and is 25

Taylor Motter was 33 by the time he got to the organization.

Those examples aren’t helping your point.

Have we? Yes, Randy Arozarena got only 20 ABs before we traded him. (with a .891 OPS). Admittedly we got some value in return but could have sold higher if we'd kept him. But Church is well past 20 in his career. He's halfway to Baker's 160.

Baker got way too many chances and was never "valuable". And we DFAd/traded him long after he had lost whatever prospect value he ever did have.
If we keep exposing Church where he is clearly in a funk at best, he will likely lose any trade value and confidence he has from his past MILB performance. Why Bloom didn't bring in a RH OF (as he said was his goal) so Church could at least develop more in the minors or play part time in lower pressure situations before being forced in to every day starting is a mystery to me.

What we really have is a track record of giving up on the good ones too early, and giving the JAGs way too many unearned opportunities and refusing to upgrade their positions from the outside because we need to eteranally see what we've got, even with no indications of change. Make them earn the PT.

[scoutyjones2]

we need to trade all of our current bad players for another teams best players....do it now.