Today proves why JJ should remain as leadoff

[ramfandan]

Getting back to the theme I posted 'why JJ should remain as leadoff ' which like many threads evolve into back and forth banter about individuals and off the topic.

Want to add in addition to keeping JJ No. 1 in the batting order , Oli should keep Victor Scott II at 9th and the starting CF.
Why ? Because there is a psychological plus for our new young No. 1 hitter Wetherholt.

As JJ in postgame interview with Jim Hayes said, 'He( Scott ) is my bro. The two played together at UWV and are close off the field (fishing buddies ). Having Scott doing his bunting etc. gives Wetherholt a familiarity and comfort factor when JJ bats next . Sure JJ can bat well after any player but it sure helps the relaxation , confidence, and overall comfort factor to have your several year buddy batting right ahead of you. Keep the Scott/ JJ back to back combo in fact. It's good for both players and the team.

[Jatalk]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Agreed Dan. Finally they got a decent leadoff hitter. Let’s hope they don’t get cute and stick with what works.

I couldn’t stand when, after success, the org was fixated on trying to get more power out of Donovan and carp.

I think the org today is smarter.

There is that too and I agree with you. Let the players develop into what their attributes allow them to do.

Back to the LO, it maybe it's an unhealthy obsession of mine but the facts are that players get the most PAs throughout a season and they set the tone (from my perspective). A good discipline hitter who can hit for power is IMO the best possible scenario.

Dodgers Ohtani
Phillies Turner/Schwarber
Braves Acuna (at times)

I hope they keep on with JJ and he keeps delivering.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

[ramfandan]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

If I had to choose who I most want to have a shot at 5 at bats per game , JJ or Noot ? That is a quick answer for me... JJ hands down

Why ? Well JJ has shown thru college and minor leagues that he will walk as often as striking out where Noot strikes out far more .
Noot in 5 years has 252 BB with 396 strikeouts . I prefer a leadoff guy who whiffs less than Noot .

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

If I had to choose who I most want to have a shot at 5 at bats per game , JJ or Noot ? That is a quick answer for me... JJ hands down

Why ? Well JJ has shown thru college and minor leagues that he will walk as often as striking out where Noot strikes out far more .
Noot in 5 years has 252 BB with 396 strikeouts . I prefer a leadoff guy who whiffs less than Noot .

Of course for now, but Lars career 341 OBP isn't chopped liver.

[Goldfan]

Of course. JJ could’ve been up here the 2nd Half of last year doing what we’ve been seeing…..

And maybe staying down helped him succeed now but you would never say that because you need to complain. If Baez comes up at the end of the season and hits well or makes the team out of spring next season and hits well you will be saying he should have skipped AAA he would have been doing we are seeing instead of acknowledging maybe AAA helped him. But with you your opinion is whatever allows you to whine and complain

No I’m just defending my point I made last season when I wrote he was ready. Got all the morons claiming “needs his time at AAA”. If you actually think his 200 abs at AAA made him the hitter he is…..Y’all are low IQ

You’re an idiot that thinks that prospect should just be skipped levels and when they do and struggle you’re the idiot that then says oh those precious yutes are overrated they suck and blah blah you’re a moron and will reverse horn opinion at the drop of the hat. By the way how did gray who you reversed your opinion on immediately after he was traded do today? He went from you saying he sucks was a waste of money to he’s great and the contract was fair as soon as he was traded lol and how is Contreras doing compared to the cardinals first baseman you’re the idiot who reversed opinions on him also as soon as he was traded lol

Talking about JJ….not some talentless Yutes
And again you think JJ wouldnt be doing what hes doing because 200 AAA AB’s??

Who knows you certainly don’t you’re just Monday morning quarterback crying which you excel at you are fantastic at whining after the fact. If they had called JJ up last season and he struggled you would be whining oh another overhyped yute lol it’s all you do figure out ways to whine and complain. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and can you be happy for once? Nope you have to Whine and complain about how he wasn’t called up
Last season hilarious

I don’t care about Clocks or service time or imagined necessity of the A’s. If the player has the talent and is ready he should be with the MLB team producing and winning. Period.
If you or anyone else here can’t see the difference in the hitter JJ is opposed to Gorman/Walker types you should just keep listening to Oli and his brilliance.

Another instance where you are wrong.

One of many

It changes the convo. The first two games are in contradiction to everything Goldfan has said the entire offseason.

So he is now talking about this…

Yea last season he has to go to to be able to cry and whine lol but as soon as they lose he will have a new reason to cry and whine but for now he can’t be happy with cards winning let’s cry about last season it’s pretty pathetic. And he acts like he’s a true judge of talent by talking highly on JJ way to go out on a limb and taking a risk saying the number 5 prospect in baseball who scouts and executives rave about who They say could have been first in the draft if not for hamstring injuries is going to be good wow super impressive judge of talent

JJ batted LO opening day. They’re obviously not burying him. But Gold gets to argue they should’ve brought him up when the team was selling and the vibe was Arenado-esque. No to mention you rob a year of service time, and maybe he ending the 2025 season on not a high note.

Nah, Gold sees the talent and energy of this team. He’s just trying to save face.

What am I saving face about?. I hope the team wins every game.
I’ve been pointing out every screwed up MO move since 2019 and I don’t think it can be disputed given bottom rung state that he left it and the huge drop in fan support.
My JJ call last season and my Baez call this season got the same Poo Poo you don’t know anything comedy that when I trashed the Carp extension, Yadi/Waino charity contracts, Oli hiring, saying TO and Bader aren’t very good, and on and on. Conveniently forgotten that Gold was right on all those.
So this is nothing new with ya’ll not being able to see what going on right in front of you in real time.
Again we’ll watch Baez….see how that one turns out

[rockondlouie]

Odds Oli flips #2 Herrera w/#4 Winn today................slim & none

[Cusecards]

Another classic thread that our resident whiner can put in his Time Capsule! LOL

[Cusecards]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

Great thread with lots of good dialogue.
JJ at LO could certainly work but as he figures to be great with RISP you could of course argue moving him into a better RBI position?
I thought of Noot also. When he comes back(assuming he isn’t traded) where would he best slot in?
He seems to do better at LO as he is shaky hitting with RISP.
Time will tell.

[Goldfan]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

Great thread with lots of good dialogue.
JJ at LO could certainly work but as he figures to be great with RISP you could of course argue moving him into a better RBI position?
I thought of Noot also. When he comes back(assuming he isn’t traded) where would he best slot in?
He seems to do better at LO as he is shaky hitting with RISP.
Time will tell.

Noot is out til June…..why worry about him when a 1/3 of the season will be gone. Play talent NOW where it should be. Don’t give away games

[Cusecards]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

Great thread with lots of good dialogue.
JJ at LO could certainly work but as he figures to be great with RISP you could of course argue moving him into a better RBI position?
I thought of Noot also. When he comes back(assuming he isn’t traded) where would he best slot in?
He seems to do better at LO as he is shaky hitting with RISP.
Time will tell.

Noot is out til June…..why worry about him when a 1/3 of the season will be gone. Play talent NOW where it should be. Don’t give away games

Where did I say I was “worried” about Noot?
And what’s it to you? Having a nice conversation with other posters.
BTW....you seem to have developed quite a following?

[Goldfan]

All of us know that the leadoff man gets the most at bats over the course of a season more than any other spot.

Today Wetherholt was the ONLY Cardinal player to get 5 plate appearances with his at bat in the 10th.

From the leadoff, he got on 1st , stole 2nd , and scored from 3rd in the 1st inning. Then got the 2 RBI runs to walk off the game winner.
While there is discussions on clean up 4th spot, Oli has JJ slotted for maximum plate appearances for the season at leadoff.
Keep him at No. 1.

Yes agree but honestly right now who else? When and if Noot comes back and assuming he can play at historical levels we may have to talk about it.

Def like JJ plan A, but for plan B, Noot might not be a bad idea. At times his OBP has been extremely high, obviously needs to be healthy.

Great thread with lots of good dialogue.
JJ at LO could certainly work but as he figures to be great with RISP you could of course argue moving him into a better RBI position?
I thought of Noot also. When he comes back(assuming he isn’t traded) where would he best slot in?
He seems to do better at LO as he is shaky hitting with RISP.
Time will tell.

Noot is out til June…..why worry about him when a 1/3 of the season will be gone. Play talent NOW where it should be. Don’t give away games

Where did I say I was “worried” about Noot?
And what’s it to you? Having a nice conversation with other posters.
BTW....you seem to have developed quite a following?

Why do you care more about POSTERS than talking about BASEBALL??
Your posts critiquing me, Mel, others….having absolutely nothing to do with game seems very odd….do you think others care about your personal characterizations on a BASEBALL SITE?

[Ozziesfan41]

And maybe staying down helped him succeed now but you would never say that because you need to complain. If Baez comes up at the end of the season and hits well or makes the team out of spring next season and hits well you will be saying he should have skipped AAA he would have been doing we are seeing instead of acknowledging maybe AAA helped him. But with you your opinion is whatever allows you to whine and complain

No I’m just defending my point I made last season when I wrote he was ready. Got all the morons claiming “needs his time at AAA”. If you actually think his 200 abs at AAA made him the hitter he is…..Y’all are low IQ

You’re an idiot that thinks that prospect should just be skipped levels and when they do and struggle you’re the idiot that then says oh those precious yutes are overrated they suck and blah blah you’re a moron and will reverse horn opinion at the drop of the hat. By the way how did gray who you reversed your opinion on immediately after he was traded do today? He went from you saying he sucks was a waste of money to he’s great and the contract was fair as soon as he was traded lol and how is Contreras doing compared to the cardinals first baseman you’re the idiot who reversed opinions on him also as soon as he was traded lol

Talking about JJ….not some talentless Yutes
And again you think JJ wouldnt be doing what hes doing because 200 AAA AB’s??

Who knows you certainly don’t you’re just Monday morning quarterback crying which you excel at you are fantastic at whining after the fact. If they had called JJ up last season and he struggled you would be whining oh another overhyped yute lol it’s all you do figure out ways to whine and complain. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and can you be happy for once? Nope you have to Whine and complain about how he wasn’t called up
Last season hilarious

I don’t care about Clocks or service time or imagined necessity of the A’s. If the player has the talent and is ready he should be with the MLB team producing and winning. Period.
If you or anyone else here can’t see the difference in the hitter JJ is opposed to Gorman/Walker types you should just keep listening to Oli and his brilliance.

Another instance where you are wrong.

One of many

It changes the convo. The first two games are in contradiction to everything Goldfan has said the entire offseason.

So he is now talking about this…

Yea last season he has to go to to be able to cry and whine lol but as soon as they lose he will have a new reason to cry and whine but for now he can’t be happy with cards winning let’s cry about last season it’s pretty pathetic. And he acts like he’s a true judge of talent by talking highly on JJ way to go out on a limb and taking a risk saying the number 5 prospect in baseball who scouts and executives rave about who They say could have been first in the draft if not for hamstring injuries is going to be good wow super impressive judge of talent

JJ batted LO opening day. They’re obviously not burying him. But Gold gets to argue they should’ve brought him up when the team was selling and the vibe was Arenado-esque. No to mention you rob a year of service time, and maybe he ending the 2025 season on not a high note.

Nah, Gold sees the talent and energy of this team. He’s just trying to save face.

What am I saving face about?. I hope the team wins every game.
I’ve been pointing out every screwed up MO move since 2019 and I don’t think it can be disputed given bottom rung state that he left it and the huge drop in fan support.
My JJ call last season and my Baez call this season got the same Poo Poo you don’t know anything comedy that when I trashed the Carp extension, Yadi/Waino charity contracts, Oli hiring, saying TO and Bader aren’t very good, and on and on. Conveniently forgotten that Gold was right on all those.
So this is nothing new with ya’ll not being able to see what going on right in front of you in real time.
Again we’ll watch Baez….see how that one turns out

lol you definitely don’t want the cards to win every game then you would have to really dig deep to cry and whine about. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and are you happy? Nope you start crying about them not calling up JJ last season. JJ doing well proves the front office handled him perfectly

[Goldfan]

No I’m just defending my point I made last season when I wrote he was ready. Got all the morons claiming “needs his time at AAA”. If you actually think his 200 abs at AAA made him the hitter he is…..Y’all are low IQ

You’re an idiot that thinks that prospect should just be skipped levels and when they do and struggle you’re the idiot that then says oh those precious yutes are overrated they suck and blah blah you’re a moron and will reverse horn opinion at the drop of the hat. By the way how did gray who you reversed your opinion on immediately after he was traded do today? He went from you saying he sucks was a waste of money to he’s great and the contract was fair as soon as he was traded lol and how is Contreras doing compared to the cardinals first baseman you’re the idiot who reversed opinions on him also as soon as he was traded lol

Talking about JJ….not some talentless Yutes
And again you think JJ wouldnt be doing what hes doing because 200 AAA AB’s??

Who knows you certainly don’t you’re just Monday morning quarterback crying which you excel at you are fantastic at whining after the fact. If they had called JJ up last season and he struggled you would be whining oh another overhyped yute lol it’s all you do figure out ways to whine and complain. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and can you be happy for once? Nope you have to Whine and complain about how he wasn’t called up
Last season hilarious

I don’t care about Clocks or service time or imagined necessity of the A’s. If the player has the talent and is ready he should be with the MLB team producing and winning. Period.
If you or anyone else here can’t see the difference in the hitter JJ is opposed to Gorman/Walker types you should just keep listening to Oli and his brilliance.

Another instance where you are wrong.

One of many

It changes the convo. The first two games are in contradiction to everything Goldfan has said the entire offseason.

So he is now talking about this…

Yea last season he has to go to to be able to cry and whine lol but as soon as they lose he will have a new reason to cry and whine but for now he can’t be happy with cards winning let’s cry about last season it’s pretty pathetic. And he acts like he’s a true judge of talent by talking highly on JJ way to go out on a limb and taking a risk saying the number 5 prospect in baseball who scouts and executives rave about who They say could have been first in the draft if not for hamstring injuries is going to be good wow super impressive judge of talent

JJ batted LO opening day. They’re obviously not burying him. But Gold gets to argue they should’ve brought him up when the team was selling and the vibe was Arenado-esque. No to mention you rob a year of service time, and maybe he ending the 2025 season on not a high note.

Nah, Gold sees the talent and energy of this team. He’s just trying to save face.

What am I saving face about?. I hope the team wins every game.
I’ve been pointing out every screwed up MO move since 2019 and I don’t think it can be disputed given bottom rung state that he left it and the huge drop in fan support.
My JJ call last season and my Baez call this season got the same Poo Poo you don’t know anything comedy that when I trashed the Carp extension, Yadi/Waino charity contracts, Oli hiring, saying TO and Bader aren’t very good, and on and on. Conveniently forgotten that Gold was right on all those.
So this is nothing new with ya’ll not being able to see what going on right in front of you in real time.
Again we’ll watch Baez….see how that one turns out

lol you definitely don’t want the cards to win every game then you would have to really dig deep to cry and whine about. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and are you happy? Nope you start crying about them not calling up JJ last season. JJ doing well proves the front office handled him perfectly

No I’m just proving the point that you idiots wouldn’t know what baseball talent is……..if you were sitting in the dugout on Oli’s lap….blind leading the blind.

[Ozziesfan41]

You’re an idiot that thinks that prospect should just be skipped levels and when they do and struggle you’re the idiot that then says oh those precious yutes are overrated they suck and blah blah you’re a moron and will reverse horn opinion at the drop of the hat. By the way how did gray who you reversed your opinion on immediately after he was traded do today? He went from you saying he sucks was a waste of money to he’s great and the contract was fair as soon as he was traded lol and how is Contreras doing compared to the cardinals first baseman you’re the idiot who reversed opinions on him also as soon as he was traded lol

Talking about JJ….not some talentless Yutes
And again you think JJ wouldnt be doing what hes doing because 200 AAA AB’s??

Who knows you certainly don’t you’re just Monday morning quarterback crying which you excel at you are fantastic at whining after the fact. If they had called JJ up last season and he struggled you would be whining oh another overhyped yute lol it’s all you do figure out ways to whine and complain. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and can you be happy for once? Nope you have to Whine and complain about how he wasn’t called up
Last season hilarious

I don’t care about Clocks or service time or imagined necessity of the A’s. If the player has the talent and is ready he should be with the MLB team producing and winning. Period.
If you or anyone else here can’t see the difference in the hitter JJ is opposed to Gorman/Walker types you should just keep listening to Oli and his brilliance.

Another instance where you are wrong.

One of many

It changes the convo. The first two games are in contradiction to everything Goldfan has said the entire offseason.

So he is now talking about this…

Yea last season he has to go to to be able to cry and whine lol but as soon as they lose he will have a new reason to cry and whine but for now he can’t be happy with cards winning let’s cry about last season it’s pretty pathetic. And he acts like he’s a true judge of talent by talking highly on JJ way to go out on a limb and taking a risk saying the number 5 prospect in baseball who scouts and executives rave about who They say could have been first in the draft if not for hamstring injuries is going to be good wow super impressive judge of talent

JJ batted LO opening day. They’re obviously not burying him. But Gold gets to argue they should’ve brought him up when the team was selling and the vibe was Arenado-esque. No to mention you rob a year of service time, and maybe he ending the 2025 season on not a high note.

Nah, Gold sees the talent and energy of this team. He’s just trying to save face.

What am I saving face about?. I hope the team wins every game.
I’ve been pointing out every screwed up MO move since 2019 and I don’t think it can be disputed given bottom rung state that he left it and the huge drop in fan support.
My JJ call last season and my Baez call this season got the same Poo Poo you don’t know anything comedy that when I trashed the Carp extension, Yadi/Waino charity contracts, Oli hiring, saying TO and Bader aren’t very good, and on and on. Conveniently forgotten that Gold was right on all those.
So this is nothing new with ya’ll not being able to see what going on right in front of you in real time.
Again we’ll watch Baez….see how that one turns out

lol you definitely don’t want the cards to win every game then you would have to really dig deep to cry and whine about. Cards are 2-0 JJ doing well and are you happy? Nope you start crying about them not calling up JJ last season. JJ doing well proves the front office handled him perfectly

No I’m just proving the point that you idiots wouldn’t know what baseball talent is……..if you were sitting in the dugout on Oli’s lap….blind leading the blind.

You’re an idiot it’s hilarious you claim to be some great judge of baseball talent by saying the number five prospect in all of baseball who scouts and executives rave about and said he could have went number one in the draft was going to be good wow so impressive only everyone else said the same thing lol and what’s even funnier is bloom didn’t call him up last season he’s doing well which proves he was handled correctly and yet you still claim to be correct that he should have been called up lol you’re so freaking stupid it’s hilarious. You’re opinions on evaluating true talent shifts radically to whatever allows you to whine and cry