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Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
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11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.
In short, this thread is about assessing the trades. Projecting, guessing, however
we choose to term it. I think that they were good in the very narrow assessment
that it is easy to see what type player was desired in return. The high upside players
are further away. Roster depth closer. Limited by the NTC's, the talent and contracts
of the players dealt away.

A more thorough assessment is premature, imo. The first season post trade hasn't
even started.
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What Bloom has done is create competition.
Competition breeds success.
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renostl wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:34 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.
In short, this thread is about assessing the trades. Projecting, guessing, however
we choose to term it. I think that they were good in the very narrow assessment
that it is easy to see what type player was desired in return. The high upside players
are further away. Roster depth closer. Limited by the NTC's, the talent and contracts
of the players dealt away.

A more thorough assessment is premature, imo. The first season post trade hasn't
even started.
I was simply responding to a poster saying they are ML ready.

My initial post in the thread addressed your issue.
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11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
W6
L15
WHIP1.44
ERA 5.31
The MLB ready arm received from Sox…..expected to be in Cards sparse rotation…..couldn’t beat out the fella who posted those impressive stats last year
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Goldfan wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:06 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
W6
L15
WHIP1.44
ERA 5.31
The MLB ready arm received from Sox…..expected to be in Cards sparse rotation…..couldn’t beat out the fella who posted those impressive stats last year
Pallante learned a new pitch and had a 2.57 ERA in spring you’re always saying players need to earn spots but I guess that doesn’t go for him? And fitts wasn’t expected to be in the Rotation by the cardinals he was in competition for a spot
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:13 pm
Goldfan wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:06 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
W6
L15
WHIP1.44
ERA 5.31
The MLB ready arm received from Sox…..expected to be in Cards sparse rotation…..couldn’t beat out the fella who posted those impressive stats last year
Pallante learned a new pitch and had a 2.57 ERA in spring you’re always saying players need to earn spots but I guess that doesn’t go for him? And fitts wasn’t expected to be in the Rotation by the cardinals he was in competition for a spot
I get whipsawed here OZ…..so ST numbers matter or don’t :lol:
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Goldfan wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:18 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:13 pm
Goldfan wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:06 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
W6
L15
WHIP1.44
ERA 5.31
The MLB ready arm received from Sox…..expected to be in Cards sparse rotation…..couldn’t beat out the fella who posted those impressive stats last year
Pallante learned a new pitch and had a 2.57 ERA in spring you’re always saying players need to earn spots but I guess that doesn’t go for him? And fitts wasn’t expected to be in the Rotation by the cardinals he was in competition for a spot
I get whipsawed here OZ…..so ST numbers matter or don’t :lol:
Apparently it can when you are competing for a spot and you have developed a new pitch and the powers that be be like how you’re pitching. For players that aren’t competing for spots no they don’t matter much surely even you can understand that lol
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
It doesn't mean he is either.

Graceffo was in Memphis for how long?

Never became a rotation pitcher here. I can name examples too.

You still can't grasp the difference between depth and numbers of warm bodies.

Mathews, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy and Pallante for that matter have proven no sustainability as of yet in their careers as rotation pieces and McGreevey and Liberatore are just getting their feet wet in what would be their first full season as starters in the ML.
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11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:39 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
It doesn't mean he is either.

Graceffo was in Memphis for how long?

Never became a rotation pitcher here. I can name examples too.

You still can't grasp the difference between depth and numbers of warm bodies.

Mathews, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy and Pallante for that matter have proven no sustainability as of yet in their careers as rotation pieces and McGreevey and Liberatore are just getting their feet wet in what would be their first full season as starters in the ML.
I don’t think you understand what depth is or are capable of grasping it. I can name a lot of examples who started the season in the minors and came up during the season and became good pitchers
Last edited by Ozziesfan41 on 18 Mar 2026 21:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:28 pm
Goldfan wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:18 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:13 pm
Goldfan wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:06 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
W6
L15
WHIP1.44
ERA 5.31
The MLB ready arm received from Sox…..expected to be in Cards sparse rotation…..couldn’t beat out the fella who posted those impressive stats last year
Pallante learned a new pitch and had a 2.57 ERA in spring you’re always saying players need to earn spots but I guess that doesn’t go for him? And fitts wasn’t expected to be in the Rotation by the cardinals he was in competition for a spot
I get whipsawed here OZ…..so ST numbers matter or don’t :lol:
Apparently it can when you are competing for a spot and you have developed a new pitch and the powers that be be like how you’re pitching. For players that aren’t competing for spots no they don’t matter much surely even you can understand that lol
And yet the OF appears set with inexperienced unsuccessful yutes who have failed this ST while competitors with much superior stats have been cast aside……
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:42 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:39 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
It doesn't mean he is either.

Graceffo was in Memphis for how long?

Never became a rotation pitcher here. I can name examples too.

You still can't grasp the difference between depth and numbers of warm bodies.

Mathews, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy and Pallante for that matter have proven no sustainability as of yet in their careers as rotation pieces and McGreevey and Liberatore are just getting their feet wet in what would be their first full season as starters in the ML.
I don’t think you understand what depth is
That's why there's a difference in the terms and you're oblivious to the logic.

Anybody else here knows the difference.
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11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:44 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:42 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:39 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
It doesn't mean he is either.

Graceffo was in Memphis for how long?

Never became a rotation pitcher here. I can name examples too.

You still can't grasp the difference between depth and numbers of warm bodies.

Mathews, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy and Pallante for that matter have proven no sustainability as of yet in their careers as rotation pieces and McGreevey and Liberatore are just getting their feet wet in what would be their first full season as starters in the ML.
I don’t think you understand what depth is
That's why there's a difference in the terms and you're oblivious to the logic.

Anybody else here knows the difference.
lol I don’t think you understand what depth is
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:44 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:42 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:39 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
It doesn't mean he is either.

Graceffo was in Memphis for how long?

Never became a rotation pitcher here. I can name examples too.

You still can't grasp the difference between depth and numbers of warm bodies.

Mathews, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy and Pallante for that matter have proven no sustainability as of yet in their careers as rotation pieces and McGreevey and Liberatore are just getting their feet wet in what would be their first full season as starters in the ML.
I don’t think you understand what depth is
That's why there's a difference in the terms and you're oblivious to the logic.

Anybody else here knows the difference.
lol I don’t think you understand what depth is
So if we have all this "depth" in the rotation why wouldn't Bloom had found a trade partner for maybe let say an OF'er who can actually hit a little for example?

Even a number 4 guy would be in demand for some teams rotation.

Like I said before you're in over your head.
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Re: Pitchers received from Sox

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11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:44 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:42 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 21:39 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:45 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 18 Mar 2026 20:21 pm
Cranny wrote: 18 Mar 2026 18:49 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 17 Mar 2026 22:28 pm Bloom unloaded payroll plain and simple.

If Fitts and Dobbins had any kind of major upside I doubt Red Sox would have included them in a deal.

The younger prospects acquired we won't know about for a couple of years at least.

The importance in the deals is working capital in giving possible extensions to buy out arbitration years to young players who are deemed to be part of the future or perhaps sign a player to fill a need once they are in position to contend.

The sheer number of pitchers someone is bound to shake out and perhaps be a difference maker among the prospects but again I believe thecreal value comes in the money freed up.
Bloom wanted to get pitchers who were ML ready.
And he got them. Pitchers that were under control for multiple years. Value for value.
Fitts in Memphis and Dobbins is on the IL.

That's not major league ready.

The other pitchers acquired are years away if they get here at all.

This is why I was telling the dreamers here that depth is different from simply having warm bodies in the rotation.

Question for those folks: If a rotation starter goes down in the first month where is the depth to replace him?
Matthew’s or fitts. Just because a pitcher is in Memphis doesn’t mean he’s not major league ready. I guess you think mcgreevy wasn’t major league ready last season because he spent most of the time at Memphis. Dobbins isn’t far from being ready he’s been pitching they are just going slow on his progression on fielding his position. That’s three. Bryan Mautz will be at Memphis he could see time if things get really bad with injuries
It doesn't mean he is either.

Graceffo was in Memphis for how long?

Never became a rotation pitcher here. I can name examples too.

You still can't grasp the difference between depth and numbers of warm bodies.

Mathews, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy and Pallante for that matter have proven no sustainability as of yet in their careers as rotation pieces and McGreevey and Liberatore are just getting their feet wet in what would be their first full season as starters in the ML.
I don’t think you understand what depth is
That's why there's a difference in the terms and you're oblivious to the logic.

Anybody else here knows the difference.
lol I don’t think you understand what depth is
So if we have all this "depth" in the rotation why wouldn't Bloom had found a trade partner for maybe let say an OF'er who can actually hit a little for example?

Even a number 4 guy would be in demand for some teams rotation.

Like I said before you're in over your head.
lol because he is giving noot a chance to come back from injury to hopefully build trade issue they have church and Scott who they like and they are giving a chance to they still haven’t given up on walker yet and they have Baez ready to come up and the most obvious reason if you trade depth you no longer have it and are stuck like last season with no depth where you are stuck using terrible pitchers because you have no depth to replace them. They had one guy as starting depth last season so were stuck using the same trash pitchers most of the season because if they cut one and brought up Mcgreevy to replace them then an injury happens then you’re in an even worse situation. You’re in way way over your head ignoring the fairly obvious and logical reasons