Chat GPT discussion re: Jordan Walker

[zuck698]

Ive stood by this a hundred times. It doesn't matter if its AA, or MLB, failing at 4 ABs per game at any level doesn't help him one bit.

Everybody knows his problem its pitch recognition. He needs to stay in Jupitor with a good hitting coach, and hours in the cage. Doesn't even have to swing the bat. Just stand there and learn how to pick up the spin, and location of the pitch. Until he can do that, hes toast. 4 ABs in any game, at any level doesn't help him one bit.

Agreed! It is not Jupiter but I guess it is a start. I wonder if Driveline offers refunds?

https://www.mlb.com/news/jordan-walker- ... ining-2026

[cardzilla]

came to topic hoping to see AI chatbots insulted and ridiculed as they should be...left disappointed

[cosmo.kramer]

came to topic hoping to see AI chatbots insulted and ridiculed as they should be...left disappointed

I'm fine with this thread since it's directly acknowledged as AI.

But I've seen people in other threads trying to pass off AI slop as their own... Which is both sad and hilarious. Then again, the AI slop might actually be more intelligent in some cases

[imetsatchelpaige]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

[Melville]

Artificial Intelligence platforms merely collect and regurgitate that which actual sentient beings have produced - as it is designed and programmed to do.
Not unlike the current Cardinal manager.
Artificial intelligence indeed.

[hugeCardfan]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

Do you know how many athletes have a 116 MPH exit velocity? F the stats. We are still discussing what could be not what is. They were doing that with Aaron Judge ten years ago at age 24 with his 50% K rate. Lucky for the Yankees they didn't give up on him.

[cosmo.kramer]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

Do you know how many athletes have a 116 MPH exit velocity? F the stats. We are still discussing what could be not what is. They were doing that with Aaron Judge ten years ago at age 24 with his 50% K rate. Lucky for the Yankees they didn't give up on him.

Can we stop with the revisionist history on Judge?

Judge had a 173 wRC+ in A in 2014
Judge had a 149 wRC+ in A+ in 2014
Judge had a 150 wRC+ in AA in 2015
Judge had a 147 wRC+ in AAA in 2016
Judge had a 174 wRC+ in MLB in 2017

Judge struck out 44.2% of the time in less than 100 PA's in MLB in 2016

Jordan Walker had a 90 wRC+ in AAA in 2023
Jordan Walker had a 94 wRC+ in AAA in 2024
Jordan Walker had a 48 wRC+ in AAA in 2025

Jordan Walker has a 89 wRC+ in more than 1,000 PA's in his MLB career.

This comparison to Judge needs to stop

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Comparing anyone to Judge is silly. Judge is a mutant on a first ballot HOF trajectory. And his age 24 struggles were only 100 ABs so nothing like JWs 1000 ABs.

Seems obvious now Walker should have had some time in AAA and he may never develop because of this mistake, Or he might, And he might even still become a serious threat at the plate and lots of players struggle to adjust. No one knows for sure including this forum and Cardinals coaches.

If this was a playoff contender team I would not tell JW that he has a roster spot. He would need to sizzle in spring to make the roster. Which he is not doing. But it's a rebuild team. And he was ONCE a very highly rated prospect with a very high ceiling.

As such I'm OK with whatever they see fit to do. Send him to AAA? Send him back to driveline. Leave him in Jupiter. Or give him more ABs in the bigs to see if he can figure it out. The W/L record doesn't matter this year. Developing a star players does. Who knows maybe he shocks us all this year.

[Melville]

came to topic hoping to see AI chatbots insulted and ridiculed as they should be...left disappointed

I recommend waiting for my posts in any thread which is of interest to you.
You will always find exactly what is needed.
Including in this one.

[hugeCardfan]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

Do you know how many athletes have a 116 MPH exit velocity? F the stats. We are still discussing what could be not what is. They were doing that with Aaron Judge ten years ago at age 24 with his 50% K rate. Lucky for the Yankees they didn't give up on him.

Can we stop with the revisionist history on Judge?

Judge had a 173 wRC+ in A in 2014
Judge had a 149 wRC+ in A+ in 2014
Judge had a 150 wRC+ in AA in 2015
Judge had a 147 wRC+ in AAA in 2016
Judge had a 174 wRC+ in MLB in 2017

Judge struck out 44.2% of the time in less than 100 PA's in MLB in 2016

Jordan Walker had a 90 wRC+ in AAA in 2023
Jordan Walker had a 94 wRC+ in AAA in 2024
Jordan Walker had a 48 wRC+ in AAA in 2025

Jordan Walker has a 89 wRC+ in more than 1,000 PA's in his MLB career.

This comparison to Judge needs to stop

Please stop with the self righteous rants about Judge's performance in the minors. Of course there is little to compare. Judge went to college for 3 years. He never saw the majors until he was 24. He did well in the early minors at a much older age than Walker who also did very well in the early minors. Walker never saw AAA until he'd been ripped asunder by a journey in the majors...a damage hard to assess in the psyche of a kid not yet old enough to drink.

The things that are comparable are the power exhibited by both players. The incomparables include the patience exhibited by the Yankees as they brought Judge along thru the paces A, A+, AA and AAA into age 24. At 24 Judge K's 42 times in 84 AB's in the majors with a .179 .266 .345 .611.

At 21 Walker K'd 104 times in 420 AB's with a .276 .342 .445 .787 in the majors. In the minors Walker's lowest OPS was .831 at 19 years of age in high A. Judge hit a .224 .308 .373 .681 in AAA at 23 in 228 AB's.

Walker still isn't the age that Judge hit the majors and he easily outperformed Judge's first cup of coffee.

You could write books on what the Cardinals did wrong with Walker while developing him. He goes to AAA after a demotion to work on launch angles rather than pitch recognition.

The notion that Walker should be written off and traded at 23 is stupid! We failed him in his development so let's fail him...period. Send him somewhere else and rationalize that he needed a new environment to be fixed. Or, drum him out of baseball before he's ever really learned how to recognize a slider.

Or, realize that he is only 23 and needs reprogramming to see if WE can fix the problem. Unfortunately we've gummed it up so bad we may not be able to fix. But, there is no value in trading and no sense in giving up yet.

[cosmo.kramer]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

Do you know how many athletes have a 116 MPH exit velocity? F the stats. We are still discussing what could be not what is. They were doing that with Aaron Judge ten years ago at age 24 with his 50% K rate. Lucky for the Yankees they didn't give up on him.

Can we stop with the revisionist history on Judge?

Judge had a 173 wRC+ in A in 2014
Judge had a 149 wRC+ in A+ in 2014
Judge had a 150 wRC+ in AA in 2015
Judge had a 147 wRC+ in AAA in 2016
Judge had a 174 wRC+ in MLB in 2017

Judge struck out 44.2% of the time in less than 100 PA's in MLB in 2016

Jordan Walker had a 90 wRC+ in AAA in 2023
Jordan Walker had a 94 wRC+ in AAA in 2024
Jordan Walker had a 48 wRC+ in AAA in 2025

Jordan Walker has a 89 wRC+ in more than 1,000 PA's in his MLB career.

This comparison to Judge needs to stop

Please stop with the self righteous rants about Judge's performance in the minors. Of course there is little to compare. Judge went to college for 3 years. He never saw the majors until he was 24. He did well in the early minors at a much older age than Walker who also did very well in the early minors. Walker never saw AAA until he'd been ripped asunder by a journey in the majors...a damage hard to assess in the psyche of a kid not yet old enough to drink.

The things that are comparable are the power exhibited by both players. The incomparables include the patience exhibited by the Yankees as they brought Judge along thru the paces A, A+, AA and AAA into age 24. At 24 Judge K's 42 times in 84 AB's in the majors with a .179 .266 .345 .611.

At 21 Walker K'd 104 times in 420 AB's with a .276 .342 .445 .787 in the majors. In the minors Walker's lowest OPS was .831 at 19 years of age in high A. Judge hit a .224 .308 .373 .681 in AAA at 23 in 228 AB's.

Walker still isn't the age that Judge hit the majors and he easily outperformed Judge's first cup of coffee.

You could write books on what the Cardinals did wrong with Walker while developing him. He goes to AAA after a demotion to work on launch angles rather than pitch recognition.

The notion that Walker should be written off and traded at 23 is stupid! We failed him in his development so let's fail him...period. Send him somewhere else and rationalize that he needed a new environment to be fixed. Or, drum him out of baseball before he's ever really learned how to recognize a slider.

Or, realize that he is only 23 and needs reprogramming to see if WE can fix the problem. Unfortunately we've gummed it up so bad we may not be able to fix. But, there is no value in trading and no sense in giving up yet.

You're the one who brought up Judge buddy. Like the Yankees would give up on him after 84 at bats. He excelled at every level. Ridiculous comparison

[hugeCardfan]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

Do you know how many athletes have a 116 MPH exit velocity? F the stats. We are still discussing what could be not what is. They were doing that with Aaron Judge ten years ago at age 24 with his 50% K rate. Lucky for the Yankees they didn't give up on him.

Can we stop with the revisionist history on Judge?

Judge had a 173 wRC+ in A in 2014
Judge had a 149 wRC+ in A+ in 2014
Judge had a 150 wRC+ in AA in 2015
Judge had a 147 wRC+ in AAA in 2016
Judge had a 174 wRC+ in MLB in 2017

Judge struck out 44.2% of the time in less than 100 PA's in MLB in 2016

Jordan Walker had a 90 wRC+ in AAA in 2023
Jordan Walker had a 94 wRC+ in AAA in 2024
Jordan Walker had a 48 wRC+ in AAA in 2025

Jordan Walker has a 89 wRC+ in more than 1,000 PA's in his MLB career.

This comparison to Judge needs to stop

Please stop with the self righteous rants about Judge's performance in the minors. Of course there is little to compare. Judge went to college for 3 years. He never saw the majors until he was 24. He did well in the early minors at a much older age than Walker who also did very well in the early minors. Walker never saw AAA until he'd been ripped asunder by a journey in the majors...a damage hard to assess in the psyche of a kid not yet old enough to drink.

The things that are comparable are the power exhibited by both players. The incomparables include the patience exhibited by the Yankees as they brought Judge along thru the paces A, A+, AA and AAA into age 24. At 24 Judge K's 42 times in 84 AB's in the majors with a .179 .266 .345 .611.

At 21 Walker K'd 104 times in 420 AB's with a .276 .342 .445 .787 in the majors. In the minors Walker's lowest OPS was .831 at 19 years of age in high A. Judge hit a .224 .308 .373 .681 in AAA at 23 in 228 AB's.

Walker still isn't the age that Judge hit the majors and he easily outperformed Judge's first cup of coffee.

You could write books on what the Cardinals did wrong with Walker while developing him. He goes to AAA after a demotion to work on launch angles rather than pitch recognition.

The notion that Walker should be written off and traded at 23 is stupid! We failed him in his development so let's fail him...period. Send him somewhere else and rationalize that he needed a new environment to be fixed. Or, drum him out of baseball before he's ever really learned how to recognize a slider.

Or, realize that he is only 23 and needs reprogramming to see if WE can fix the problem. Unfortunately we've gummed it up so bad we may not be able to fix. But, there is no value in trading and no sense in giving up yet.

You're the one who brought up Judge buddy. Like the Yankees would give up on him after 84 at bats. He excelled at every level. Ridiculous comparison

Yes, I brought up Judge with the full acknowledgement of the context and the age it took him to reach the majors. But, it's your hissy fit suggesting "revisionist history" that takes the cake. Judge wasn't ready for the majors until he was 25. That's just fact. We tried to form fit Walker at 21. That's fact. Judge had far more time and training in college and the minors than Walker did. Moreover, all was done sequentially. Does any of that penetrate?

Are you so closeminded that you can't understand the parallels as well as the distinctions?

[DwaininAztec]

It is interesting that the new systems to help pitchers and hitters is hard at work trying to help Walker overcome some of the issues of our prior minor league system. If that system can help him distinguish spin, then Bloom's efforts to modernize our system would seem to be working.

[cardzilla]

came to topic hoping to see AI chatbots insulted and ridiculed as they should be...left disappointed

I recommend waiting for my posts in any thread which is of interest to you.
You will always find exactly what is needed.
Including in this one.

holy [shirt], narcissistic much? recommend i wait on your posts?

tip: the world doesnt not revolve around you

and since you are concerned about what i need, i'll give you another tip: it doesnt involve you at all, ever

[cosmo.kramer]

Not to be a downer, but typical chat bot responses. It simply collates info from all the web sources it can find and rarely tells you anything you didn't already know.

Yeah, if chat bots are limited by how informed their databases are, any chat bot pulling from available internet sources is likely to come up with a lot of pretty dumb answers, considering how dumb a lot of the corners of the internet are.

That's prrobably true, but I find if I add more value to the discussion and demand more research from the AI chat, I get better answers. We have plenty of CT'ers who are ready to throw in the towel on Walker, but I think chat has it right. We'll be slow to quit on Walker. The complaint is that we won't get good trade value; we don't really want trade value, we want results on our formidable find.

“Formidable find??
Have you looked at his stats?

Do you know how many athletes have a 116 MPH exit velocity? F the stats. We are still discussing what could be not what is. They were doing that with Aaron Judge ten years ago at age 24 with his 50% K rate. Lucky for the Yankees they didn't give up on him.

Can we stop with the revisionist history on Judge?

Judge had a 173 wRC+ in A in 2014
Judge had a 149 wRC+ in A+ in 2014
Judge had a 150 wRC+ in AA in 2015
Judge had a 147 wRC+ in AAA in 2016
Judge had a 174 wRC+ in MLB in 2017

Judge struck out 44.2% of the time in less than 100 PA's in MLB in 2016

Jordan Walker had a 90 wRC+ in AAA in 2023
Jordan Walker had a 94 wRC+ in AAA in 2024
Jordan Walker had a 48 wRC+ in AAA in 2025

Jordan Walker has a 89 wRC+ in more than 1,000 PA's in his MLB career.

This comparison to Judge needs to stop

Please stop with the self righteous rants about Judge's performance in the minors. Of course there is little to compare. Judge went to college for 3 years. He never saw the majors until he was 24. He did well in the early minors at a much older age than Walker who also did very well in the early minors. Walker never saw AAA until he'd been ripped asunder by a journey in the majors...a damage hard to assess in the psyche of a kid not yet old enough to drink.

The things that are comparable are the power exhibited by both players. The incomparables include the patience exhibited by the Yankees as they brought Judge along thru the paces A, A+, AA and AAA into age 24. At 24 Judge K's 42 times in 84 AB's in the majors with a .179 .266 .345 .611.

At 21 Walker K'd 104 times in 420 AB's with a .276 .342 .445 .787 in the majors. In the minors Walker's lowest OPS was .831 at 19 years of age in high A. Judge hit a .224 .308 .373 .681 in AAA at 23 in 228 AB's.

Walker still isn't the age that Judge hit the majors and he easily outperformed Judge's first cup of coffee.

You could write books on what the Cardinals did wrong with Walker while developing him. He goes to AAA after a demotion to work on launch angles rather than pitch recognition.

The notion that Walker should be written off and traded at 23 is stupid! We failed him in his development so let's fail him...period. Send him somewhere else and rationalize that he needed a new environment to be fixed. Or, drum him out of baseball before he's ever really learned how to recognize a slider.

Or, realize that he is only 23 and needs reprogramming to see if WE can fix the problem. Unfortunately we've gummed it up so bad we may not be able to fix. But, there is no value in trading and no sense in giving up yet.

You're the one who brought up Judge buddy. Like the Yankees would give up on him after 84 at bats. He excelled at every level. Ridiculous comparison

Yes, I brought up Judge with the full acknowledgement of the context and the age it took him to reach the majors. But, it's your hissy fit suggesting "revisionist history" that takes the cake. Judge wasn't ready for the majors until he was 25. That's just fact. We tried to form fit Walker at 21. That's fact. Judge had far more time and training in college and the minors than Walker did. Moreover, all was done sequentially. Does any of that penetrate?

Are you so closeminded that you can't understand the parallels as well as the distinctions?

If they're such different players with different timelines then you shouldn't have made the comparison. Good job

[JDW]

Walker still had some trade value last year at this time. That would have been the time to trade him if the Cards had given up on him.
They apparently haven't, and now Walker has little to no trade value, so at this point you might as well keep trying to give him some freeway to gain traction, but that freeway needs to happen in milb, not at the show for any significant time if he keeps struggling.