Parayko going to Buffalo if approves

[Harry S Deals]

Cards gave a few players a million bucks each to accept the trades, so Blues may have to do this if Coltie is uncooperative.

Can you even do this under the CBA?

Accepting the trade means he immediately is taking a substantial salary cut to mive to Buffalo for the next four years. I would be really surprised if he waives.

He could get a chance to win a cup or be on a bottom feeder

[juan good eye]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

[LuvthaBlues]

Does anyone know if CP55 is in tonight's lineup? If he is, maybe he vetoed the deal.

Not in the lineup.

He’s out with back spasms.

[netboy65]

Guy on Sirius XM NHL has said he waived. Anyone hear anything elsewhere?

[juan good eye]

While I'm onboard for a quick retool (move Faulk and Kyrou) and finish blowing it up next year if the team doesnt improve significantly (50/50 odds imo) -- trading CP55 forces a min 2-3 yr rebuild. Probably best long term.

If Parayko doesnt accept this trade that likely hurts any return for him going forward.

Regardless of what happens, Faulk has to go by the TDL.

[LuvthaBlues]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

Agreed. I still think it’s pretty unlikely he agrees though.

[dman1]

Does anyone know if CP55 is in tonight's lineup? If he is, maybe he vetoed the deal.

Not in the lineup.

Thanks! Fingers crossed.........

[TruBlueFan_1970]

Guy on Sirius XM NHL has said he waived. Anyone hear anything elsewhere?

Haven’t seen anything yet. Weegar waived his NTC and that deal is done. Hoping to hear soon on Parayko’s fate.

[zamadoo]

I thought we were all on board with getting as high as pick as possible since this season is a waste? This is a step in the right direction.

Agreed. I would bet Steen wants to tank for Stenberg.

How about we go all the way and trade Thomas and Parayko for Byram, McLeod, Ostlund, Helenius, Mrtka, and Strbak?

[the miracle]

While I'm onboard for a quick retool (move Faulk and Kyrou) and finish blowing it up next year if the team doesnt improve significantly (50/50 odds imo) -- trading CP55 forces a min 2-3 yr rebuild. Probably best long term.

If Parayko doesnt accept this trade that likely hurts any return for him going forward.

Regardless of what happens, Faulk has to go by the TDL.

IDK - I could see the Blues keeping Faulk if Parayko leaves.

[Harry S Deals]

I would lose a bit of respect for a guy that would chose to stay on a team that's striping it to the studs vs going to a team with a chance to win a Cup again. It would tell me winning isnt that important. You can say Buffalo this or that but if you been there it's hard to say STL is a huge step better. Go win another Cup big boy the Sabres are going to be a tough out for many years they are loaded

[2forDiving]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

If they move Thomas for kids and picks you are looking at a decade before they are remotely competitive. Sure they may squeeze in a playoff year here and there, but it’s an established failed business and on ice model. Everyone thought a couple years ago New Jersey had arrived….guess again. Same with Columbus. Ottawa? Nope. Detroit? Maybe. Buffalo? Chicago? Utah/Phoenix? Vancouver? Philly? The teams at the top stay there. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, Dallas, we’ll see what Florida does, but if healthy they probably go back to the top. Boston sells off last year and then right back to a playoff contender. Bottom line, if the Blues sell Thomas for more young prospects and picks, this team will be circling the drain until the early to mid 30s based on recent trends unless they are the exception. I’d bet against that.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

If they move Thomas for kids and picks you are looking at a decade before they are remotely competitive. Sure they may squeeze in a playoff year here and there, but it’s an established failed business and on ice model. Everyone thought a couple years ago New Jersey had arrived….guess again. Same with Columbus. Ottawa? Nope. Detroit? Maybe. Buffalo? Chicago? Utah/Phoenix? Vancouver? Philly? The teams at the top stay there. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, Dallas, we’ll see what Florida does, but if healthy they probably go back to the top. Boston sells off last year and then right back to a playoff contender. Bottom line, if the Blues sell Thomas for more young prospects and picks, this team will be circling the drain until the early to mid 30s based on recent trends unless they are the exception. I’d bet against that.

This. I have not lived in the area for many decades. But even with the Cup win is this franchise solid enough to be a nonplayoff team for the next five years? Will the fanbase turn out?

[zamadoo]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

If they move Thomas for kids and picks you are looking at a decade before they are remotely competitive. Sure they may squeeze in a playoff year here and there, but it’s an established failed business and on ice model. Everyone thought a couple years ago New Jersey had arrived….guess again. Same with Columbus. Ottawa? Nope. Detroit? Maybe. Buffalo? Chicago? Utah/Phoenix? Vancouver? Philly? The teams at the top stay there. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, Dallas, we’ll see what Florida does, but if healthy they probably go back to the top. Boston sells off last year and then right back to a playoff contender. Bottom line, if the Blues sell Thomas for more young prospects and picks, this team will be circling the drain until the early to mid 30s based on recent trends unless they are the exception. I’d bet against that.

This. I have not lived in the area for many decades. But even with the Cup win is this franchise solid enough to be a nonplayoff team for the next five years? Will the fanbase turn out?

Solid case for keeping Thomas building here

[2forDiving]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

If they move Thomas for kids and picks you are looking at a decade before they are remotely competitive. Sure they may squeeze in a playoff year here and there, but it’s an established failed business and on ice model. Everyone thought a couple years ago New Jersey had arrived….guess again. Same with Columbus. Ottawa? Nope. Detroit? Maybe. Buffalo? Chicago? Utah/Phoenix? Vancouver? Philly? The teams at the top stay there. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, Dallas, we’ll see what Florida does, but if healthy they probably go back to the top. Boston sells off last year and then right back to a playoff contender. Bottom line, if the Blues sell Thomas for more young prospects and picks, this team will be circling the drain until the early to mid 30s based on recent trends unless they are the exception. I’d bet against that.

This. I have not lived in the area for many decades. But even with the Cup win is this franchise solid enough to be a nonplayoff team for the next five years? Will the fanbase turn out?

Not sure, look 10 blocks east for the potential answer and the team two blocks west of Enterprise will be seeing the same thing in about two months and many thought they’d still be in the honeymoon stage - not the case at all.

[2forDiving]

Wow, if it happens there's a lot to take in.

First, solid return but Colton is a VERY solid top pairing defensive defender (with a great contract) so this should be the package.

Second, we have NO ONE that can skate his minutes. A lot of folks just don't understand how much ice he skates, and how many errors from other players he covers for. Not saying we shouldn't take this package, but this IMO is a complete rebuild move.

Finally, it now makes me believe that there could be something to the Thomas rumors, as it's going to be at least 3 years (probably 5) before I consider us a consistent competitive hockey team...

100% best take.

If they move Thomas for kids and picks you are looking at a decade before they are remotely competitive. Sure they may squeeze in a playoff year here and there, but it’s an established failed business and on ice model. Everyone thought a couple years ago New Jersey had arrived….guess again. Same with Columbus. Ottawa? Nope. Detroit? Maybe. Buffalo? Chicago? Utah/Phoenix? Vancouver? Philly? The teams at the top stay there. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, Dallas, we’ll see what Florida does, but if healthy they probably go back to the top. Boston sells off last year and then right back to a playoff contender. Bottom line, if the Blues sell Thomas for more young prospects and picks, this team will be circling the drain until the early to mid 30s based on recent trends unless they are the exception. I’d bet against that.

This. I have not lived in the area for many decades. But even with the Cup win is this franchise solid enough to be a nonplayoff team for the next five years? Will the fanbase turn out?

Solid case for keeping Thomas building here

I go back to the Winnipeg owner when asked why they chose to extend Hellebuyck and Scheifele when everyone was expecting them to start a rebuild and he flat out said the franchise would be unsustainable if they incurred a Buffalo or at that time, Phoenix rebuild.