Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol

[riff raff]

The mental gymnastics on this forum to avoid admitting that Oli is Blooms choice is hilarious.

[CorneliusWolfe]

1. Bloom knows A LOT more about Oli than we do. (And that includes what players think of OM). He's been here 2 years.
2. Oli's success is directly linked to Bloom's success/job security.

In an offseason full of bold moves, and even giving money to other teams to get better prospects in trades, it would be silly for Bloom to skimp on MLB managers if he felt Oli was detrimental to the team and their growth. It's literally a drop in the bucket, money-wise, compared to bolder offseason moves.


For this reason, I have to trust that Bloom sees/knows something most CTers don't. And trust this is the right decision.

Bloom did not make the decision.

While I completely agree with you on this, I find it very odd that BDW would invest in an executive, who was a known commodity and came with a fairly high price tag, then handcuff him to such a low rent manager. What sense does that make?

[11WSChamps]

1. Bloom knows A LOT more about Oli than we do. (And that includes what players think of OM). He's been here 2 years.
2. Oli's success is directly linked to Bloom's success/job security.

In an offseason full of bold moves, and even giving money to other teams to get better prospects in trades, it would be silly for Bloom to skimp on MLB managers if he felt Oli was detrimental to the team and their growth. It's literally a drop in the bucket, money-wise, compared to bolder offseason moves.


For this reason, I have to trust that Bloom sees/knows something most CTers don't. And trust this is the right decision.

Agree
Except....why extend him now?
I would have waited.

I see it as a player not having a contract for the next season and that being a distraction. Same as a manager.

As a potential lame duck whatever a authority he might have with the players and coaches could be muted.

Its also a sign that the coaches future could be in limbo as well.

I'm not in favor of keeping him as manager but for the reasons I mentioned I can understand it.

[Melville]

1. Bloom knows A LOT more about Oli than we do. (And that includes what players think of OM). He's been here 2 years.
2. Oli's success is directly linked to Bloom's success/job security.

In an offseason full of bold moves, and even giving money to other teams to get better prospects in trades, it would be silly for Bloom to skimp on MLB managers if he felt Oli was detrimental to the team and their growth. It's literally a drop in the bucket, money-wise, compared to bolder offseason moves.


For this reason, I have to trust that Bloom sees/knows something most CTers don't. And trust this is the right decision.

Bloom did not make the decision.

While I completely agree with you on this, I find it very odd that BDW would invest in an executive, who was a known commodity and came with a fairly high price tag, then handcuff him to such a low rent manager. What sense does that make?

Three reasons.
One, Bloom was fully aware when he took the job that The Marmot would be retained and extended.
Two, DeWitt does not expect The Marmot to win games - he believes that is what he hired Bloom to accomplish.
Three, above all things, DeWitt is famously loyal - and The Marmot has worked for DeWitt since childhood and as an adult has never worked anywhere other than for the Cardinals.

[Ozziesfan41]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

[Dicktar2023]

1. Bloom knows A LOT more about Oli than we do. (And that includes what players think of OM). He's been here 2 years.
2. Oli's success is directly linked to Bloom's success/job security.

In an offseason full of bold moves, and even giving money to other teams to get better prospects in trades, it would be silly for Bloom to skimp on MLB managers if he felt Oli was detrimental to the team and their growth. It's literally a drop in the bucket, money-wise, compared to bolder offseason moves.


For this reason, I have to trust that Bloom sees/knows something most CTers don't. And trust this is the right decision.

#2 is not true at all. Neither man's job security is tied to success.

[Melville]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

[Melville]

1. Bloom knows A LOT more about Oli than we do. (And that includes what players think of OM). He's been here 2 years.
2. Oli's success is directly linked to Bloom's success/job security.

In an offseason full of bold moves, and even giving money to other teams to get better prospects in trades, it would be silly for Bloom to skimp on MLB managers if he felt Oli was detrimental to the team and their growth. It's literally a drop in the bucket, money-wise, compared to bolder offseason moves.


For this reason, I have to trust that Bloom sees/knows something most CTers don't. And trust this is the right decision.

#2 is not true at all. Neither man's job security is tied to success.

Correct.
At least, not the success that shows up in box scores.

[Dicktar2023]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Melville]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bloom was ordered to accept the Marmot extension.
He knew that before he took over for Super Slo Mo.
Zero chance he did not know about DeWitt's commitment to The Marmot.
It was the first thing he asked about - because that would be the first thing ANY incoming POBO would ask about from any owner with any team.

[riff raff]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bloom was ordered to accept the Marmot extension.
He knew that before he took over for Super Slo Mo.
Zero chance he did not know about DeWitt's commitment to The Marmot.
It was the first thing he asked about - because that would be the first thing ANY incoming POBO would ask about from any owner with any team.

Boy, you've the big shovel out today

[Carp4Cy]

The only indisputable truth about Oli is that he is the manager of the Cards and Ike all managers, must be despised.

I never despised Tony. He won WS before STL and at STL.

[rockondlouie]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bloom was ordered to accept the Marmot extension.
He knew that before he took over for Super Slo Mo.
Zero chance he did not know about DeWitt's commitment to The Marmot.
It was the first thing he asked about - because that would be the first thing ANY incoming POBO would ask about from any owner with any team.

+1

The uncertainty of 2027 and what an ew CBA will look like has BDWJr in 'defensive" owner mode.

He's slashed his payroll to the bone.

He wasn't going to pay Oli this season to sit at home nor was he going to pay a new, experienced Manager multiple times what he's paying Oli for the 2027 season which could be compromised (management gets paid during a lockout), now likely the 2028 season as well.

Until he's prepared to raise the payroll, Oli is Dewitt's guy....a person grateful for the job who won't rock the boat (re: complain about the lack of payroll to add players).

This move is all BDWJr, fits his "re-build" plan to a tee.

[Melville]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bloom was ordered to accept the Marmot extension.
He knew that before he took over for Super Slo Mo.
Zero chance he did not know about DeWitt's commitment to The Marmot.
It was the first thing he asked about - because that would be the first thing ANY incoming POBO would ask about from any owner with any team.

Boy, you've the big shovel out today

No POBO / GM leader in MLB, NFL, NBA ever takes a job without knowing if he has full decision making over the coaching staff.
Of course Bloom asked - and was told - that The Marmot was not going anywhere.
It would be ridiculous to believe otherwise.

[Dicktar2023]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bloom was ordered to accept the Marmot extension.
He knew that before he took over for Super Slo Mo.
Zero chance he did not know about DeWitt's commitment to The Marmot.
It was the first thing he asked about - because that would be the first thing ANY incoming POBO would ask about from any owner with any team.

But you have no explanation for why DeWitt is so committed to Marmol.

Because there isn't one. Because he isn't.

[riff raff]

I like bloom i like what bloom has done so far but keeping oli bad choice

It was not his choice.
Not possible he is that stupid.

Yes, he is. Unless Marmol has pictures of BDW with Boy Scouts, there is simply no other explanation. Maybe the owners didn't want to fire Marmol, but extending him beyond the coming strike year, with an option for 2029?

He's Bloom's guy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bloom was ordered to accept the Marmot extension.
He knew that before he took over for Super Slo Mo.
Zero chance he did not know about DeWitt's commitment to The Marmot.
It was the first thing he asked about - because that would be the first thing ANY incoming POBO would ask about from any owner with any team.

+1

The uncertainty of 2027 and what an ew CBA will look like has BDWJr in 'defensive" owner mode.

He's slashed his payroll to the bone.

He wasn't going to pay Oli this season to sit at home nor was he going to pay a new, experienced Manager multiple times what he's paying Oli for the 2027 season which could be compromised (management gets paid during a lockout), now likely the 2028 season as well.

Until he's prepared to raise the payroll, Oli is Dewitt's guy....a person grateful for the job who won't rock the boat (re: complain about the lack of payroll to add players).

This move is all BDWJr, fits his "re-build" plan to a tee.

ok Aesop