Things I’ve Learned on CT Today…

[dugoutrex]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Yes, but Pallante aside could this grab bag of pitchers be better than what Mikolas and Fedde gave. That's the floor for 2026. At least they are young. Hope springs.

May ... well he's not Gray. But maybe will sweat less.

Yeah anything is possible but lets not forget as bad as some believe it was the team was 9-games over .500 at one point with that group. It isn't all on them the offense was bad.

That won't happen this season and yes I know the record isn't supposed to matter.

There seems to be nearly as many health concerns with some of these candidates as there are numbers.

The starting pitching was trash mikolas and Fedde were garbage every month but may the team was bad to garbage every month but may. If they could have replaced them with pitchers that were even .500 they would have made the playoffs but they had no depth. The only thing that saved the cardinals last season was the bullpen. This year they won’t have to stick with garbage pitchers all season like last season because they have depth to replace them

the 'depth' this year will not have us 9 games over .500 in June - those trash starters were actually really good the 1st 2 1/2 months of the season

[RunSup]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

[Cardinals1964]

JJ Weatherholt doesn’t need to get a single hit to be great.

Bunting into foul territory is a thing of beauty (but only when JJ Weatherholt does it)

You’re right. Before today he had a .500 OBP without many hits.
He now sits at:
.375 average. .615 OBP. .750 Slugging. 1.365 OPS.

Very astute of you for pointing this out. Most people just look for negatives. Great job.

[Ozziesfan41]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Yes, but Pallante aside could this grab bag of pitchers be better than what Mikolas and Fedde gave. That's the floor for 2026. At least they are young. Hope springs.

May ... well he's not Gray. But maybe will sweat less.

Yeah anything is possible but lets not forget as bad as some believe it was the team was 9-games over .500 at one point with that group. It isn't all on them the offense was bad.

That won't happen this season and yes I know the record isn't supposed to matter.

There seems to be nearly as many health concerns with some of these candidates as there are numbers.

The starting pitching was trash mikolas and Fedde were garbage every month but may the team was bad to garbage every month but may. If they could have replaced them with pitchers that were even .500 they would have made the playoffs but they had no depth. The only thing that saved the cardinals last season was the bullpen. This year they won’t have to stick with garbage pitchers all season like last season because they have depth to replace them

the 'depth' this year will not have us 9 games over .500 in June - those trash starters were actually really good the 1st 2 1/2 months of the season

That’s hilarious fedde had a 4.68 ERA in march and April and mikolas had a 4.66 ERa in march and April that’s far from really good. Fedde had a 3.03 ERA in may then a 5.93 ERA in June mikolas had a 3.08 ERA in may then a 6.58 ERA in June.
They had really good mays the rest of the months they were bad to garbage. The bullpen kept them where they were not the rotation

[Cardinals1964]

JJ Weatherholt doesn’t need to get a single hit to be great.

Bunting into foul territory is a thing of beauty (but only when JJ Weatherholt does it)

Excellent observation.

The OP nailed it. Most people would have complained about JJ’s start. The OP saw thru the haze. The OP recognized even though what JJ did wasn’t glamorous, he was very productive.
I think he was batting below .200 with a .500 OBP and a OPS over 1.00 before today. Hats off when deserved.

[11WSChamps]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

Heah (donkey)(pit) Im not uptight about anything but you sure are.

You responded to me first remember.

It's too bad you have to resort to fanboy fake outrage status instead of having some idea of what you're talking about.

Six more months of listening to you idiots whine about fans who are exponentially more reasonable than you are.

[11WSChamps]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Yes, but Pallante aside could this grab bag of pitchers be better than what Mikolas and Fedde gave. That's the floor for 2026. At least they are young. Hope springs.

May ... well he's not Gray. But maybe will sweat less.

Yeah anything is possible but lets not forget as bad as some believe it was the team was 9-games over .500 at one point with that group. It isn't all on them the offense was bad.

That won't happen this season and yes I know the record isn't supposed to matter.

There seems to be nearly as many health concerns with some of these candidates as there are numbers.

The starting pitching was trash mikolas and Fedde were garbage every month but may the team was bad to garbage every month but may. If they could have replaced them with pitchers that were even .500 they would have made the playoffs but they had no depth. The only thing that saved the cardinals last season was the bullpen. This year they won’t have to stick with garbage pitchers all season like last season because they have depth to replace them

Well you can lead a horse to water....

That team wasn't going to make the playoffs. Good Lord.

[RunSup]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

Heah (donkey)(pit) Im not uptight about anything but you sure are.

You responded to me first remember.

It's too bad you have to resort to fanboy fake outrage status instead of having some idea of what you're talking about.

Six more months of listening to you idiots whine about fans who are exponentially more reasonable than you are.

So you resort to name calling and insult. Thanks for clarifying yourself.

[11WSChamps]

Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

Heah (donkey)(pit) Im not uptight about anything but you sure are.

You responded to me first remember.

It's too bad you have to resort to fanboy fake outrage status instead of having some idea of what you're talking about.

Six more months of listening to you idiots whine about fans who are exponentially more reasonable than you are.

So you resort to name calling and insult. Thanks for clarifying yourself.

So you're one of those how predictable.

You respond to my post first call me "uptight" and lie about what I meant and then when called out because you can't give an intelligent answer about the rotation you play the victim card.

A liar who plays the victim card thanks for clarifying.

Carry on simp.