WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 11:26 am
Carlos Martinez could touch 98 too when he wanted to as well.
I personally saw Carlos hit 100 as a starter at Busch. It was a game against the Giants. Martinez went nine innings, and was hitting 100MPH in the seventh inning.
I remember several details about that game. Matt Carpenter got thrown out at third base BY A MILE trying to stretch a double into a triple on a well hit (but not that well hit) of a ball. Made even dumber because Gyorko was hitting behind him and having a pretty decent season. Jedd then came up and hit a single that probably could've scored Carpenter.
Carlos gave up one run over nine innings. Then Rosenthal came in and put up a zero, then Siegrist came in and shut them down in the next inning, but came back out for a second inning...allowed some traffic on the bases, and then Matheny brought in Broxton who cleared the traffic in the worst way possible.
But yeah, Martinez was DEALING that game. Probably the best pitched game I've ever seen in person. Maybe outside of a Matt Morris complete game that was...like...two hours long against the Reds.
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 11:26 am
Carlos Martinez could touch 98 too when he wanted to as well.
I personally saw Carlos hit 100 as a starter at Busch. It was a game against the Giants. Martinez went nine innings, and was hitting 100MPH in the seventh inning.
I remember several details about that game. Matt Carpenter got thrown out at third base BY A MILE trying to stretch a double into a triple on a well hit (but not that well hit) of a ball. Made even dumber because Gyorko was hitting behind him and having a pretty decent season. Jedd then came up and hit a single that probably could've scored Carpenter.
Carlos gave up one run over nine innings. Then Rosenthal came in and put up a zero, then Siegrist came in and shut them down in the next inning, but came back out for a second inning...allowed some traffic on the bases, and then Matheny brought in Broxton who cleared the traffic in the worst way possible.
But yeah, Martinez was DEALING that game. Probably the best pitched game I've ever seen in person. Maybe outside of a Matt Morris complete game that was...like...two hours long against the Reds.
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 11:26 am
Carlos Martinez could touch 98 too when he wanted to as well.
I personally saw Carlos hit 100 as a starter at Busch. It was a game against the Giants. Martinez went nine innings, and was hitting 100MPH in the seventh inning.
I remember several details about that game. Matt Carpenter got thrown out at third base BY A MILE trying to stretch a double into a triple on a well hit (but not that well hit) of a ball. Made even dumber because Gyorko was hitting behind him and having a pretty decent season. Jedd then came up and hit a single that probably could've scored Carpenter.
Carlos gave up one run over nine innings. Then Rosenthal came in and put up a zero, then Siegrist came in and shut them down in the next inning, but came back out for a second inning...allowed some traffic on the bases, and then Matheny brought in Broxton who cleared the traffic in the worst way possible.
But yeah, Martinez was DEALING that game. Probably the best pitched game I've ever seen in person. Maybe outside of a Matt Morris complete game that was...like...two hours long against the Reds.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 20:33 pm
If the arm holds up he could be a key player in 2026. The circumstances of his removal from the game sounded very bad at the time but apparently he has healed up and is ready. 75 innings last year - they will need to be careful with him.
Fitts has a career 1.294 WHIP
Gray had a 2025 1.234 WHIP
Who does better in 2026
Probably Gray but if Fitts can stay healthy he is the future and this is a rebuild.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 20:33 pm
If the arm holds up he could be a key player in 2026. The circumstances of his removal from the game sounded very bad at the time but apparently he has healed up and is ready. 75 innings last year - they will need to be careful with him.
Fitts has a career 1.294 WHIP
Gray had a 2025 1.234 WHIP
Who does better in 2026
Better in what way? WHIP? Probably Fitts. St Louis is a better place to pitch than Fenway and there are more behemoth lineups in the AL. Gray will pitch more innings, K more hitters, and win more playoff games. Which is "better"?
ggnoobs wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 10:55 am
On the strikeout the gun read 98 on the fastball. Love to see the velocity. When was the last time we had a starting pitcher throw 98+? I think Lance Lynn maybe hit that a few times 10+ years ago. 98 in Spring is maybe 100 in the regular season?
The thing that really blew up Fitts' 2025 season was giving up a whopping 2.20 HR/9.
Moving from Fenway to Busch may help that, and if he can get that down to about ML average (1.18 HR/9) it would to a long way to making him a valuable pitcher going forward.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 08:51 am
The thing that really blew up Fitts' 2025 season was giving up a whopping 2.20 HR/9.
Moving from Fenway to Busch may help that, and if he can get that down to about ML average (1.18 HR/9) it would to a long way to making him a valuable pitcher going forward.
So you're saying it's not absolutely out of the question for Fitts, Dobbins and May to be an upgrade over Gray, Miko and Pallante?
ggnoobs wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 10:55 am
On the strikeout the gun read 98 on the fastball. Love to see the velocity. When was the last time we had a starting pitcher throw 98+? I think Lance Lynn maybe hit that a few times 10+ years ago. 98 in Spring is maybe 100 in the regular season?
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 11:26 am
Carlos Martinez could touch 98 too when he wanted to as well.
I personally saw Carlos hit 100 as a starter at Busch. It was a game against the Giants. Martinez went nine innings, and was hitting 100MPH in the seventh inning.
I remember several details about that game. Matt Carpenter got thrown out at third base BY A MILE trying to stretch a double into a triple on a well hit (but not that well hit) of a ball. Made even dumber because Gyorko was hitting behind him and having a pretty decent season. Jedd then came up and hit a single that probably could've scored Carpenter.
Carlos gave up one run over nine innings. Then Rosenthal came in and put up a zero, then Siegrist came in and shut them down in the next inning, but came back out for a second inning...allowed some traffic on the bases, and then Matheny brought in Broxton who cleared the traffic in the worst way possible.
But yeah, Martinez was DEALING that game. Probably the best pitched game I've ever seen in person. Maybe outside of a Matt Morris complete game that was...like...two hours long against the Reds.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 08:51 am
The thing that really blew up Fitts' 2025 season was giving up a whopping 2.20 HR/9.
Moving from Fenway to Busch may help that, and if he can get that down to about ML average (1.18 HR/9) it would to a long way to making him a valuable pitcher going forward.
So you're saying it's not absolutely out of the question for Fitts, Dobbins and May to be an upgrade over Gray, Miko and Pallante?
Crazy so many CTers didn't see this.
From a quality perspective, given how low a bar Mikolas and Pallante set, they might be 50-50 to be better. Don't know if they can pitch as many innings.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 08:51 am
The thing that really blew up Fitts' 2025 season was giving up a whopping 2.20 HR/9.
Moving from Fenway to Busch may help that, and if he can get that down to about ML average (1.18 HR/9) it would to a long way to making him a valuable pitcher going forward.
Yeah, he had a 4.27 xFIP (which normalizes HR/FB% to league average), compared to his 5.80 FIP and 5.00 ERA. HR rate takes a lot longer to stabilize than other skills (strike out rate, walk rate), so hopefully that xFIP is more predictive going forward. Most projections on fangraphs project an ERA and FIP in the mid-4s (in line with his "career" xFIP of 4.66, in 65.2 IP).
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 08:51 am
The thing that really blew up Fitts' 2025 season was giving up a whopping 2.20 HR/9.
Moving from Fenway to Busch may help that, and if he can get that down to about ML average (1.18 HR/9) it would to a long way to making him a valuable pitcher going forward.
So you're saying it's not absolutely out of the question for Fitts, Dobbins and May to be an upgrade over Gray, Miko and Pallante?
Crazy so many CTers didn't see this.
From a quality perspective, given how low a bar Mikolas and Pallante set, they might be 50-50 to be better. Don't know if they can pitch as many innings.
Overall, they will be better. McGreevy full season, no Fedde. Pallante still a spot start option…
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 08:51 am
The thing that really blew up Fitts' 2025 season was giving up a whopping 2.20 HR/9.
Moving from Fenway to Busch may help that, and if he can get that down to about ML average (1.18 HR/9) it would to a long way to making him a valuable pitcher going forward.
So you're saying it's not absolutely out of the question for Fitts, Dobbins and May to be an upgrade over Gray, Miko and Pallante?
Crazy so many CTers didn't see this.
Anything is possible.
It's still a lot of innings to replace and if Leahy is to be in the rotation that's your best multi inning reliever no longer in the bullpen to help cover.
Glad to see the dead weight gone but the rotation is going to be a revolving door.
