What the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 amThe Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 amThe owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 amI think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 amThere is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.
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Most every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pmWhat the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 amThe Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 amThe owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 amI think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 amThere is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.
Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.
Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.
NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.
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They don't hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 13:07 pmMost every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pmWhat the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 amThe Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 amThe owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 amI think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 amThere is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.
Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.
Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.
NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.
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are you not reading the words super bowl?govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 19:23 pmWRONG--please Google see belowScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 17:03 pmCorrect. The won 3 super bowls in 5 years.govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 14:00 pmno they were in the WS, but have only won 2 in their lifetimeScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 06:40 amKansas City won the super bowl 3 times in 5 years. They win the world series once every 40 years. That's what a payroll cap does for a sport.cardstatman wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 22:52 pm I don't understand how a salary cap fixes anything for Cleveland.
Their revenue remains the same and they say they can only spend $100M on payroll now.
The answer is more revenue sharing. If the revenue was more equal, then the salary cap would not be necessary.
A salary cap just forces the Yankees/Dodgers/Cubs owners to pocket a lot of money or invest huge dollars in something other than payroll. The Yankees and Cubs owners are already voluntarily doing just that.
Kansas City Royals, American professional baseball team based in Kansas City, Missouri. The Royals have won four American League (AL) pennants and two World Series championships (1985 and 2015).
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the salary cap helps them compete by ensuring they can't be outspent, and that they have as good a shot as anyone at getting a UFA and keeping their own drafted players. What it can't do is anything about terrible management, poor scouting, terrible draft picks, and firing a coach every 36 games.lordoffatness wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 10:38 amHow many super bowls has the salary cap helped the Browns, Bills, Dolphins and Jets win?ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 20:31 pmThe super bowl is football.govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 19:23 pmWRONG--please Google see belowScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 17:03 pmCorrect. The won 3 super bowls in 5 years.govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 14:00 pmno they were in the WS, but have only won 2 in their lifetimeScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 06:40 amKansas City won the super bowl 3 times in 5 years. They win the world series once every 40 years. That's what a payroll cap does for a sport.cardstatman wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 22:52 pm I don't understand how a salary cap fixes anything for Cleveland.
Their revenue remains the same and they say they can only spend $100M on payroll now.
The answer is more revenue sharing. If the revenue was more equal, then the salary cap would not be necessary.
A salary cap just forces the Yankees/Dodgers/Cubs owners to pocket a lot of money or invest huge dollars in something other than payroll. The Yankees and Cubs owners are already voluntarily doing just that.
Kansas City Royals, American professional baseball team based in Kansas City, Missouri. The Royals have won four American League (AL) pennants and two World Series championships (1985 and 2015).
The NFL is largely a QB league. More teams have won world series over the past 10 years (7) than Super Bowls (6). And of the last 10 super bowls, 6 were won by Mahomes or Brady (2 with Pats, 1 with Bucs),
There is definitely payroll inequity in MLB, but you could argue MLB has more parity than the NFL. The Dodgers have kind of broken things for the moment, but spending crazy money hasn't helped the Mets, Phillies, Yankees, etc.
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I don’t understand the point of your post. Who doesn’t hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers? Plenty of information is available to at least get a general idea of just how messed up the system is.makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 14:45 pmThey don't hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 13:07 pmMost every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pmWhat the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 amThe Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 amThe owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 amI think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 amThere is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.
Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.
Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.
NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.
A monkey can check the numbers….an accountant isn’t even needed.
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He shoulda stayed in the booth as the OC. I know people like promotions, but he was a mad scientist from upstairs, and it just didn't translate to HC very well.dugoutrex wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 23:47 pmlol - Mikey was the worst head coach in the leagueScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 20:29 pmIt worked after they enacted the payroll cap. Then the fools fired Martz and went back to losing. You notice the Cowboys haven't won anything in a long time. Jerry Jones can't buy the super bowl now.dugoutrex wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 17:18 pmdidn't work for the NFL in Stl - how many years did we have pro football and we got 1 little titleScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 06:40 amKansas City won the super bowl 3 times in 5 years. They win the world series once every 40 years. That's what a payroll cap does for a sport.cardstatman wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 22:52 pm I don't understand how a salary cap fixes anything for Cleveland.
Their revenue remains the same and they say they can only spend $100M on payroll now.
The answer is more revenue sharing. If the revenue was more equal, then the salary cap would not be necessary.
A salary cap just forces the Yankees/Dodgers/Cubs owners to pocket a lot of money or invest huge dollars in something other than payroll. The Yankees and Cubs owners are already voluntarily doing just that.
meanwhile ... 11 titles in 100 some years of baseball
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umm, sure. There is not any information , let alone plenty of information without the owners proving what they are saying about revenues.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 18:33 pmI don’t understand the point of your post. Who doesn’t hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers? Plenty of information is available to at least get a general idea of just how messed up the system is.makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 14:45 pmThey don't hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 13:07 pmMost every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pmWhat the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 amThe Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 amThe owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 amI think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 amThere is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.
Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.
Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.
NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.
A monkey can check the numbers….an accountant isn’t even needed.
Re: Cleveland GM speaks out
I can do without baseball in 2027, and beyond, for that matter. Fix it or forget it.