The long snooz:

[earp]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

[sikeston bulldog2]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

The point you make about teams passing us by might be more relevant than the team being driven into the ground.

[Carp4Cy]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

My concern would be - if the rebuild is going to take another 4 years, what if other teams again pass us by with new innovations while we are spending so long stubbornly focused on a 2024-2025 circa blueprint?

No other sport needs to take that long for the most successful rebuilds, even baseball often doesn’t take that long as Boston has gone worst to first, twice. In a single year.
The longer this goes on, the more risk we get mired in it for much longer than expected and a losing cycle builds on itself.
Players get used to losing, no winning tradition
Manager is extended with no urgency to win at the MLB level because that’s not the focus
Front office constantly focuses on the next generation of prospects around the corner and never decides to invest in fully going for it
Fans quit the game and ownership can’t afford to reinvest and keep talent
Roster has zero playoff experience so even if when they do make the playoffs for the first time they likely lose for the first year or two to an equivalent team with playoff experience. October experience counts for a lot.

[Talkin' Baseball]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

My concern would be - if the rebuild is going to take another 4 years, what if other teams again pass us by with new innovations while we are spending so long stubbornly focused on a 2024-2025 circa blueprint?

No other sport needs to take that long for the most successful rebuilds, even baseball often doesn’t take that long as Boston has gone worst to first, twice. In a single year.
The longer this goes on, the more risk we get mired in it for much longer than expected and a losing cycle builds on itself.
Players get used to losing, no winning tradition
Manager is extended with no urgency to win at the MLB level because that’s not the focus
Front office constantly focuses on the next generation of prospects around the corner and never decides to invest in fully going for it
Fans quit the game and ownership can’t afford to reinvest and keep talent
Roster has zero playoff experience so even if when they do make the playoffs for the first time they likely lose for the first year or two to an equivalent team with playoff experience. October experience counts for a lot.

Is that what is happening?

[ecleme22]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

My concern would be - if the rebuild is going to take another 4 years, what if other teams again pass us by with new innovations while we are spending so long stubbornly focused on a 2024-2025 circa blueprint?

No other sport needs to take that long for the most successful rebuilds, even baseball often doesn’t take that long as Boston has gone worst to first, twice. In a single year.
The longer this goes on, the more risk we get mired in it for much longer than expected and a losing cycle builds on itself.
Players get used to losing, no winning tradition
Manager is extended with no urgency to win at the MLB level because that’s not the focus
Front office constantly focuses on the next generation of prospects around the corner and never decides to invest in fully going for it
Fans quit the game and ownership can’t afford to reinvest and keep talent
Roster has zero playoff experience so even if when they do make the playoffs for the first time they likely lose for the first year or two to an equivalent team with playoff experience. October experience counts for a lot.

I don’t think Bloom has plans to turn off the “hey let’s keep learning and evolving!” faucet.

[rockondlouie]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

[Carp4Cy]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

My concern would be - if the rebuild is going to take another 4 years, what if other teams again pass us by with new innovations while we are spending so long stubbornly focused on a 2024-2025 circa blueprint?

No other sport needs to take that long for the most successful rebuilds, even baseball often doesn’t take that long as Boston has gone worst to first, twice. In a single year.
The longer this goes on, the more risk we get mired in it for much longer than expected and a losing cycle builds on itself.
Players get used to losing, no winning tradition
Manager is extended with no urgency to win at the MLB level because that’s not the focus
Front office constantly focuses on the next generation of prospects around the corner and never decides to invest in fully going for it
Fans quit the game and ownership can’t afford to reinvest and keep talent
Roster has zero playoff experience so even if when they do make the playoffs for the first time they likely lose for the first year or two to an equivalent team with playoff experience. October experience counts for a lot.

I don’t think Bloom has plans to turn off the “hey let’s keep learning and evolving!” faucet.

Trouble is, despite all these smart trades and focused acquisitions of "prospects" other NLC rivals have more and better top high end prospects and recent prospects now producing young stars than we do. Pitt has Skenes AND Griffin. Both are better than Doyle and likely than Weatherholt by available rankings. And they have more behind that. Cincy has EDLC and Greene. Heck LAD has Andy Pages in MLB and Mike Sirota who looks like another future slugger in MiLB, 200 points higher OPS last year than Baez in the minors. Other teams are still way ahead of us in this prospect arms race and they aren't even 100% focused on "not winning now".

I'd like to see a committment to winning at all levels, sooner than 2029, or there will be some missed opportunities we don't even know we missed out on.

[Carp4Cy]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

I hope you are right. 3 big if's though. Have they done enough at the ML level to maintain any kind of attendance?

Also Oli's contract is over after this year. single year extensions really aren't a thing. So can we hire a new manager in 2027, or else how can 2028 be the year for a new maanger?

[rockondlouie]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

I hope you are right. 3 big if's though. Have they done enough at the ML level to maintain any kind of attendance?

Also Oli's contract is over after this year. single year extensions really aren't a thing. So can we hire a new manager in 2027, or else how can 2028 be the year for a new maanger?

The biggest "if" is BDWJr.

Will he try to keep payroll at an unseen around St. Louis for decades low or will he agree he has to first spend money before he ever see's 3+M attendance again?

Single year extensions w/the CBA expiring at seasons end certainly is "a thing" if the plan is to replace him before the 2028 season (which is what I have my fingers crossed happens).

[Jatalk]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

Fair analysis. The only exception is if they spend money for some key free agents. Ok stop laughing. I know doubtful.

[Carp4Cy]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

I hope you are right. 3 big if's though. Have they done enough at the ML level to maintain any kind of attendance?

Also Oli's contract is over after this year. single year extensions really aren't a thing. So can we hire a new manager in 2027, or else how can 2028 be the year for a new maanger?

The biggest "if" is BDWJr.

Will he try to keep payroll at an unseen around St. Louis for decades low or will he agree he has to first spend money before he ever see's 3+M attendance again?

Single year extensions w/the CBA expiring at seasons end certainly is "a thing" if the plan is to replace him before the 2028 season (which is what I have my fingers crossed happens).

Yes that is the big question. If no, then he needs to sell to a more aggressive owner who will invest at a high level, sooner than later. Also if No, Bloom isn't going to stay long enough to even see if this all "works".

[ecleme22]

It’ll be years before we can gauge Bloom’s work properly, since so much of it depends on how the team drafts and develops, as well as future moves like trades or signings. Bloom has been going for quantity of prospects over quality, with the Cards also eating a good deal of money to ensure that they have gotten some quality.
Modernizing the Cardinals “at every level.” This suggests a multi‑year process. It will likely take 4 seasons (2026–2029) before fans can fairly evaluate Bloom’s full impact.
The first meaningful results likely appear 2028–2030. Cardinals are behind in analytics, player development, and modern scouting.

John Mozeliak had enormous influence for nearly two decades.
Atlanta

Los Angeles

Houston

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Texas

…all modernized aggressively.

St. Louis didn’t decline — the league passed them by
And now we get older and suffer along with them.

Kinda like-Jr.Bush (I hate baseball) Dal Maxvill- and your 1970's Cards------HELP

My concern would be - if the rebuild is going to take another 4 years, what if other teams again pass us by with new innovations while we are spending so long stubbornly focused on a 2024-2025 circa blueprint?

No other sport needs to take that long for the most successful rebuilds, even baseball often doesn’t take that long as Boston has gone worst to first, twice. In a single year.
The longer this goes on, the more risk we get mired in it for much longer than expected and a losing cycle builds on itself.
Players get used to losing, no winning tradition
Manager is extended with no urgency to win at the MLB level because that’s not the focus
Front office constantly focuses on the next generation of prospects around the corner and never decides to invest in fully going for it
Fans quit the game and ownership can’t afford to reinvest and keep talent
Roster has zero playoff experience so even if when they do make the playoffs for the first time they likely lose for the first year or two to an equivalent team with playoff experience. October experience counts for a lot.

I don’t think Bloom has plans to turn off the “hey let’s keep learning and evolving!” faucet.

Trouble is, despite all these smart trades and focused acquisitions of "prospects" other NLC rivals have more and better top high end prospects and recent prospects now producing young stars than we do. Pitt has Skenes AND Griffin. Both are better than Doyle and likely than Weatherholt by available rankings. And they have more behind that. Cincy has EDLC and Greene. Heck LAD has Andy Pages in MLB and Mike Sirota who looks like another future slugger in MiLB, 200 points higher OPS last year than Baez in the minors. Other teams are still way ahead of us in this prospect arms race and they aren't even 100% focused on "not winning now".

I'd like to see a committment to winning at all levels, sooner than 2029, or there will be some missed opportunities we don't even know we missed out on.

I think Blooms rebuild will be faster than most ppl think, but let’s not forget this ‘rebuild’ is about 3.5 months old.

And yes, other teams will always have good players too..

[Jatalk]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

I hope you are right. 3 big if's though. Have they done enough at the ML level to maintain any kind of attendance?

Also Oli's contract is over after this year. single year extensions really aren't a thing. So can we hire a new manager in 2027, or else how can 2028 be the year for a new maanger?

The biggest "if" is BDWJr.

Will he try to keep payroll at an unseen around St. Louis for decades low or will he agree he has to first spend money before he ever see's 3+M attendance again?

Single year extensions w/the CBA expiring at seasons end certainly is "a thing" if the plan is to replace him before the 2028 season (which is what I have my fingers crossed happens).

Spending and attendance often run hand in hand. You are correct

[45s]

Some are concerned about a four year rebuild…

Had they not initiated the rebuild, they would have missed the playoffs in 26 anyway..

which would be….wait for it….four years of missing the playoffs

[rockondlouie]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

I hope you are right. 3 big if's though. Have they done enough at the ML level to maintain any kind of attendance?

Also Oli's contract is over after this year. single year extensions really aren't a thing. So can we hire a new manager in 2027, or else how can 2028 be the year for a new maanger?

The biggest "if" is BDWJr.

Will he try to keep payroll at an unseen around St. Louis for decades low or will he agree he has to first spend money before he ever see's 3+M attendance again?

Single year extensions w/the CBA expiring at seasons end certainly is "a thing" if the plan is to replace him before the 2028 season (which is what I have my fingers crossed happens).

Yes that is the big question. If no, then he needs to sell to a more aggressive owner who will invest at a high level, sooner than later. Also if No, Bloom isn't going to stay long enough to even see if this all "works".

Agree

He'll kill his equity position if he doesn't raise payroll in 2028 and see's attendance fall under 2M for multiple season.

I have to think he and Bloom have a deal in place where Bloom re-builds the minor league system and fills the pipeline (done and well underway w/new prospects) and then Dewitt agrees to up the payroll back to competitive (%175-180M) levels.

[rockondlouie]

I think we could see results and become playoff contenders a lot sooner than many think as log as attendance holds above 2+M and BDWJr restores payroll to it's proper level.

The system is now up-to-date and modernized w/some quality prospects in the pipeline or about to make their debut.

2028 should be the year Dewitt let's Bloom hire his Manager and ups the payroll back to the norm.

I think the Redbirds are fine by opening day 2028.

JMO

I hope you are right. 3 big if's though. Have they done enough at the ML level to maintain any kind of attendance?

Also Oli's contract is over after this year. single year extensions really aren't a thing. So can we hire a new manager in 2027, or else how can 2028 be the year for a new maanger?

The biggest "if" is BDWJr.

Will he try to keep payroll at an unseen around St. Louis for decades low or will he agree he has to first spend money before he ever see's 3+M attendance again?

Single year extensions w/the CBA expiring at seasons end certainly is "a thing" if the plan is to replace him before the 2028 season (which is what I have my fingers crossed happens).

Spending and attendance often run hand in hand. You are correct

Yep

Been that way under Dewitt, something I've had a hard time getting matt to understand.

BUT

Dewitt has let his team deteriorate so badly that he's going to have to change course and spend first if he wants attendance to rebound back to that 3M level.

Let's see if he does it starting in 2028.

If not, then just sell.