The solution to tanking?

[45s]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.

A businessman maximizing profits…..shocker

Are you suggesting they don’t…..? Do you take less than you could?

[alw80]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.

A businessman maximizing profits…..shocker

Are you suggesting they don’t…..? Do you take less than you could?

The whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck. And thats not business, thats welfare.

[45s]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.

A businessman maximizing profits…..shocker

Are you suggesting they don’t…..? Do you take less than you could?

The whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.

Professional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….

“Fair” has nothing to do with it..

This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….

[alw80]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.

A businessman maximizing profits…..shocker

Are you suggesting they don’t…..? Do you take less than you could?

The whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.

Professional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….

“Fair” has nothing to do with it..

This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….

Right, there shouldn't be revenue sharing in the first place. If you don't want to compete then don't compete and people can choose not to spend money at your "business". And fans bend over backwards defending these crooks.

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….

So in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

Why do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?

The NBA and NHL probably don't have very strong unions. That would be my guess that there just isn't enough player solidarity at this point. The NFL and MLB do have fairly strong unions and player solidarity. Beyond that I don't really know.

[ecleme22]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….

So in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.

In your opinion, what’s the difference between tanking and rebuilding?

[Jeff Goldblum]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

Why do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?

The NBA and NHL probably don't have very strong unions. That would be my guess that there just isn't enough player solidarity at this point. The NFL and MLB do have fairly strong unions and player solidarity. Beyond that I don't really know.

Because MLB and NFL teams don't tank for draft picks. Class dismissed.

[Cardinals1964]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.

A businessman maximizing profits…..shocker

Are you suggesting they don’t…..? Do you take less than you could?

The whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.

Professional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….

“Fair” has nothing to do with it..

This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….

Right, there shouldn't be revenue sharing in the first place. If you don't want to compete then don't compete and people can choose not to spend money at your "business". And fans bend over backwards defending these crooks.

Except MLB is one big business. Certain markets make way less money than other markets. Would you agree with that?
How are they crooks? Why do you care? Choose not to spend your money or follow them if you are that unhappy. Pretty simple.

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

Why do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?

The NBA and NHL probably don't have very strong unions. That would be my guess that there just isn't enough player solidarity at this point. The NFL and MLB do have fairly strong unions and player solidarity. Beyond that I don't really know.

Because MLB and NFL teams don't tank for draft picks. Class dismissed.

Not going to argue with you. There's plenty of articles discussing tanking in baseball. If you can figure out how to use Google then you can easily find them. Class dismissed.

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….

So in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.

In your opinion, what’s the difference between tanking and rebuilding?

IMO, every team in baseball rebuilds every year to some extent. Even the Dodgers rebuilt some. Tanking on the other hand is not giving your best effort to field a competitive team in preparation for losing a large amount of games. In essence, intentionally fielding a bad team without care of winning. The Cards could have brought up some young guys while still signing some veteran top tier talent and competed for the Central. They've chosen not to. Gutting payroll will have the intended effect most likely, barring some kind of miracle where multiple minor league players show up as stars and untested, unproven pitchers become some cohesive dominant rotation. Not likely.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….

So in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.

In your opinion, what’s the difference between tanking and rebuilding?

IMO, every team in baseball rebuilds every year to some extent. Even the Dodgers rebuilt some. Tanking on the other hand is not giving your best effort to field a competitive team in preparation for losing a large amount of games. In essence, intentionally fielding a bad team without care of winning. The Cards could have brought up some young guys while still signing some veteran top tier talent and competed for the Central. They've chosen not to. Gutting payroll will have the intended effect most likely, barring some kind of miracle where multiple minor league players show up as stars and untested, unproven pitchers become some cohesive dominant rotation. Not likely.

I think you’re asking too much. Not a cohesive dominant rotation, but maybe one Ace. Same for the infielders. One will emerge, hopefully at third.

Then we turn out attention to the outfield. That’s why there has been no additions- it’s Walkers, Scott’s and Churches audition.

Once this is done we add the missing pieces. Next off season.

[mattmitchl44]

The simple truth is that, without a significant change to the MLB environment - a salary cap/floor, more revenue sharing between teams, etc. - there are going to be a lot of teams, maybe half the league, that are going to make hard choices between (1) competing and (2) economics every year.

Fans can sit back and claim that all the owners should be rich enough to not care about economics, to not care about negative, annual cash flow as long as the value of their team is (presumably) increasing, etc., but the reality is that these owners did not become billionaires by thinking that way and you aren't going to find 30 owners who are interested in owning teams and running them like Steve Cohen.

Whether you call it "tanking" or fiscally responsible restraint in a year when a team knows it can't compete with the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, etc. anyway, given the current structure of baseball economics, many small market teams and an increasing number of mid-market teams are going to have to make hard choices about timing their windows of when to go all-in to "win now" and when to make decisions to back off ("tank", if that's what you call it) and conserve resources.

[Bully4you]

The simple truth is that, without a significant change to the MLB environment - a salary cap/floor, more revenue sharing between teams, etc. - there are going to be a lot of teams, maybe half the league, that are going to make hard choices between (1) competing and (2) economics every year.

Fans can sit back and claim that all the owners should be rich enough to not care about economics, to not care about negative, annual cash flow as long as the value of their team is (presumably) increasing, etc., but the reality is that these owners did not become billionaires by thinking that way and you aren't going to find 30 owners who are interested in owning teams and running them like Steve Cohen.

Whether you call it "tanking" or fiscally responsible restraint in a year when a team knows it can't compete with the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, etc. anyway, given the current structure of baseball economics, many small market teams and an increasing number of mid-market teams are going to have to make hard choices about timing their windows of when to go all-in to "win now" and when to make decisions to back off ("tank", if that's what you call it) and conserve resources.

Based on what you are writing, I have no confidence in the viability of the league.
Basically, maybe 10 (and I am being generous) teams could compete in this environment.
The other 20 will have very little chance of being a WS competitor.
And that is boring and won't make the league any popular going forward.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The simple truth is that, without a significant change to the MLB environment - a salary cap/floor, more revenue sharing between teams, etc. - there are going to be a lot of teams, maybe half the league, that are going to make hard choices between (1) competing and (2) economics every year.

Fans can sit back and claim that all the owners should be rich enough to not care about economics, to not care about negative, annual cash flow as long as the value of their team is (presumably) increasing, etc., but the reality is that these owners did not become billionaires by thinking that way and you aren't going to find 30 owners who are interested in owning teams and running them like Steve Cohen.

Whether you call it "tanking" or fiscally responsible restraint in a year when a team knows it can't compete with the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, etc. anyway, given the current structure of baseball economics, many small market teams and an increasing number of mid-market teams are going to have to make hard choices about timing their windows of when to go all-in to "win now" and when to make decisions to back off ("tank", if that's what you call it) and conserve resources.

Based on what you are writing, I have no confidence in the viability of the league.
Basically, maybe 10 (and I am being generous) teams could compete in this environment.
The other 20 will have very little chance of being a WS competitor.
And that is boring and won't make the league any popular going forward.

You both write about the ugly truth of the game. There must be a solution. If this stance is taken, find a solution, then the CBA could be a long term event.

[alw80]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.

A businessman maximizing profits…..shocker

Are you suggesting they don’t…..? Do you take less than you could?

The whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.

Professional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….

“Fair” has nothing to do with it..

This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….

Right, there shouldn't be revenue sharing in the first place. If you don't want to compete then don't compete and people can choose not to spend money at your "business". And fans bend over backwards defending these crooks.

Except MLB is one big business. Certain markets make way less money than other markets. Would you agree with that?
How are they crooks? Why do you care? Choose not to spend your money or follow them if you are that unhappy. Pretty simple.

Pocketing revenue sharing and then arguing for a salary cap so they can make even more money is crook behavior to me. If you're unwilling to compete thats fine but you shouldn't get welfare for that. Sell the team if you don't like it.