Jim Hayes , Kyle Gibson, & Lance Lynn discuss if Oli deserves an extension ?

[Basil Shabazz]

C. Bloom's fires him and almost all of his coaches after the 2027 season, bringing in "his" Manager for 2028 when Dewitt is ready to substantially increase the payroll.

JMO

I think there is merit to this thought. Oli being on for '26 and maybe '27 while the Cards rebuild and lose buys Bloom a few extra years to get to where he wants to get to. He can move on from Oli after this year or next and simply say, I need my guy in there. Oli was inherited and not my guy.

[rockondlouie]

C. Bloom's fires him and almost all of his coaches after the 2027 season, bringing in "his" Manager for 2028 when Dewitt is ready to substantially increase the payroll.

JMO

I think there is merit to this thought. Oli being on for '26 and maybe '27 while the Cards rebuild and lose buys Bloom a few extra years to get to where he wants to get to. He can move on from Oli after this year or next and simply say, I need my guy in there. Oli was inherited and not my guy.

[RichieRichSTL]

One thing for sure though: Tony Clark's sister in law got an 'extension' and now he is out of a job.

[RichieRichSTL]

C. Bloom's fires him and almost all of his coaches after the 2027 season, bringing in "his" Manager for 2028 when Dewitt is ready to substantially increase the payroll.

JMO

I think there is merit to this thought. Oli being on for '26 and maybe '27 while the Cards rebuild and lose buys Bloom a few extra years to get to where he wants to get to. He can move on from Oli after this year or next and simply say, I need my guy in there. Oli was inherited and not my guy.

I agree. You have the best shot of getting the manager you want and him being success when the parts are more in place.

Marmol has to prove he can coach up a team.

[hmoss859]

Gibson and Lynn seem like cool guys, but I don't think I've seen them on the right side of a single controversial take this entire offseason. Lynn especially just does not know how the modern business of baseball works.

One thing to always remember with Lynn, Gibson, Holiday and so many other active and recently retired players is that they will always deliver the MLBPA answer. Tony Clark’s lips move a little bit every time these guys speak into a microphone. They are all collecting MLBPA pensions.

Did you hear Manny’s comments today about how great the Dodgers payroll is for MLB? Classic players association line.

Tony Clark’s hips move too evidently

[CorneliusWolfe]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

[Melville]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

The Marmot does not have a "reputation of being good with developing young players".
That is pure propaganda that was used to justify hiring him and then retaining him.
He has a proven track record at being brutally bad with young players over the past 4 seasons.

[CorneliusWolfe]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

The Marmot does not have a "reputation of being good with developing young players".
That is pure propaganda that was used to justify hiring him and then retaining him.
He has a proven track record at being brutally bad with young players over the past 4 seasons.

That’s what I’ve seen too. That’s why I said he needs to “start” living up to that reputation…which does seem like pure propaganda at this point.

[Cardinals1964]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

The Marmot does not have a "reputation of being good with developing young players".
That is pure propaganda that was used to justify hiring him and then retaining him.
He has a proven track record at being brutally bad with young players over the past 4 seasons.

I remember La Russa not being able to deal with young players.

[Basil Shabazz]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

The Marmot does not have a "reputation of being good with developing young players".
That is pure propaganda that was used to justify hiring him and then retaining him.
He has a proven track record at being brutally bad with young players over the past 4 seasons.

I remember La Russa not being able to deal with young players.

I remember TLR managing 6 rookie of the year winners. Funny, for a guy not able to deal with young players, he sure had success with them. Canseco, McGwire, Weiss, Pujols, Guillen, Kittle.

[Melville]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

The Marmot does not have a "reputation of being good with developing young players".
That is pure propaganda that was used to justify hiring him and then retaining him.
He has a proven track record at being brutally bad with young players over the past 4 seasons.

That’s what I’ve seen too. That’s why I said he needs to “start” living up to that reputation…which does seem like pure propaganda at this point.

We are aligned.

[Melville]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

Not an Oli fan, but not opposed to him earning an extension if he starts living up to that reputation of being good with developing young players. I don’t think he’s proven that yet, so he needs to prove something of value before being handed an extension. Same as it goes for the players.

The Marmot does not have a "reputation of being good with developing young players".
That is pure propaganda that was used to justify hiring him and then retaining him.
He has a proven track record at being brutally bad with young players over the past 4 seasons.

I remember La Russa not being able to deal with young players.

Very true.
TLR was quite clear in his preference for veterans.
And he was given veteran rosters.
The Marmot was hired primarily because he was perceived as being a loyal company man who would keep his mouth shut, do what he was told, and support the propaganda.
His ability to develop young players, while claimed, was never part of the true calculation.
Which is why I have said, correctly of course, the team can never truly succeed as long as he is retained.

[rockondlouie]

C. Bloom's fires him and almost all of his coaches after the 2027 season, bringing in "his" Manager for 2028 when Dewitt is ready to substantially increase the payroll.

JMO

I think there is merit to this thought. Oli being on for '26 and maybe '27 while the Cards rebuild and lose buys Bloom a few extra years to get to where he wants to get to. He can move on from Oli after this year or next and simply say, I need my guy in there. Oli was inherited and not my guy.

I agree. You have the best shot of getting the manager you want and him being success when the parts are more in place.

Marmol has to prove he can coach up a team.

Yep

Plus BDWJr should be ready to jump the payroll, a strong selling tool Bloom can use to lure his Manager.

[dugoutrex]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

He has, however, earned a long walk on a short plank.
Hopefully, Bloom possesses the strength and integrity to fire The Marmot sometime before the 60-game mark if the team is under .500.

if Oli has this team anywhere near .500 he deserves a BIG FAT BONUS!

[Melville]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

He has, however, earned a long walk on a short plank.
Hopefully, Bloom possesses the strength and integrity to fire The Marmot sometime before the 60-game mark if the team is under .500.

if Oli has this team anywhere near .500 he deserves a BIG FAT BONUS!

Zero excuse for the team to not have a winning record. Should be above .500 at the 60 game mark - and when all 162 have been completed.
Too many injuries or complete incompetence by the manager are the only 2 factors which would prevent it.

[dugoutrex]

He should have to earn an extension. He has not done that yet.

He has, however, earned a long walk on a short plank.
Hopefully, Bloom possesses the strength and integrity to fire The Marmot sometime before the 60-game mark if the team is under .500.

if Oli has this team anywhere near .500 he deserves a BIG FAT BONUS!

Zero excuse for the team to not have a winning record. Should be above .500 at the 60 game mark - and when all 162 have been completed.
Too many injuries or complete incompetence by the manager are the only 2 factors which would prevent it.

nope - this 69 - 93 record won't be Oli's fault - it'll be 100% on Bloomy