Joe Roderick gives Sunday ST report: Herrera, Stanek, JJ

[ramfandan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

[Carp4Cy]

I don’t have enough bandwidth for video. What does he say about Hererra ?

[Jatalk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

[sp25]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Perhaps not fixing him, but I would value Yadi's perspective on Ivan's chance of being a catcher in the major leagues.

[Melville]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

[General]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Maybe. Maybe not. But you absolutely make an effort because if he can catch, the team is much better for much longer. Unless, of course, you think Pages is an All Star.

[Carp4Cy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

[Melville]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

[BrockFloodMaris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

The story I heard is that Herrera stated to the Cardinals that he wants to be a catcher. I think Bloom and Company are giving him a courtesy look this spring at catcher. When it doesn’t work out, he will hand it over to better defensive players.

[Melville]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

The story I heard is that Herrera stated to the Cardinals that he wants to be a catcher. I think Bloom and Company are giving him a courtesy look this spring at catcher. When it doesn’t work out, he will hand it over to better defensive players.

Unquestionably correct.
The Cardinals are placating Herrera.
Nothing more.
The Marmot may possibly be stupid enough to believe Herrera can be a passable MLB catcher.
Bloom, however, is smarter than that.

[Carp4Cy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

That would make Gorman arguably serviceable I suppose. But it doesn’t replace even half of Nado circa 2022. And that’s what we need to get back to the playoffs. And Gorman will never begin to replace Nado/Rolens defense.

[Melville]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

That would make Gorman arguably serviceable I suppose. But it doesn’t replace even half of Nado circa 2022. And that’s what we need to get back to the playoffs. And Gorman will never begin to replace Nado/Rolens defense.

Power hitting 3B's with elite defense such as N/A and Rolen come along less than once in a generation in all of MLB.
No one should ever lay that expectation on anyone else.
All Gorman needs to do is hit is hit .235-.240 with an .320 OBP (2 more singles per 100 PA's), and with his 25+HR/80+ RBI proven track record, he would be a top 5 MLB 3B, with roughly average defense.
Not that far away.
As for Herrera, the best thing STL can do is get him out from behind the plate and see if he can become more consistent with his power production - which has been nearly non-existent prior to last September.
Reality is, if STL can achieve that with those 2, have Winn and Burleson consistently repeat last year, and have Wetherholt prove to be a breakout star, they will be well on their way to returning to success.
It is not as far away as many think it is.

[Talkin' Baseball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

That would make Gorman arguably serviceable I suppose. But it doesn’t replace even half of Nado circa 2022. And that’s what we need to get back to the playoffs. And Gorman will never begin to replace Nado/Rolens defense.

Power hitting 3B's with elite defense such as N/A and Rolen come along less than once in a generation in all of MLB.
No one should ever lay that expectation on anyone else.
All Gorman needs to do is hit is hit .235-.240 with an .320 OBP (2 more singles per 100 PA's), and with his 25+HR/80+ RBI proven track record, he would be a top 5 MLB 3B, with roughly average defense.
Not that far away.
As for Herrera, the best thing STL can do is get him out from behind the plate and see if he can become more consistent with his power production - which has been nearly non-existent prior to last September.
Reality is, if STL can achieve that with those 2, have Winn and Burleson consistently repeat last year, and have Wetherholt prove to be a breakout star, they will be well on their way to returning to success.
It is not as far away as many think it is.

He's more than two years removed from the one time he did that- I guess that goes for a proven track record.

[Carp4Cy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

That would make Gorman arguably serviceable I suppose. But it doesn’t replace even half of Nado circa 2022. And that’s what we need to get back to the playoffs. And Gorman will never begin to replace Nado/Rolens defense.

Power hitting 3B's with elite defense such as N/A and Rolen come along less than once in a generation in all of MLB.
No one should ever lay that expectation on anyone else.
All Gorman needs to do is hit is hit .235-.240 with an .320 OBP (2 more singles per 100 PA's), and with his 25+HR/80+ RBI proven track record, he would be a top 5 MLB 3B, with roughly average defense.
Not that far away.
As for Herrera, the best thing STL can do is get him out from behind the plate and see if he can become more consistent with his power production - which has been nearly non-existent prior to last September.
Reality is, if STL can achieve that with those 2, have Winn and Burleson consistently repeat last year, and have Wetherholt prove to be a breakout star, they will be well on their way to returning to success.
It is not as far away as many think it is.

Gorman doesn’t have average D at 3b though.

He’s a 0 WAR player at 3b. He’s below average in both defense and hitting for that position. He’s actually more valuable as second base because it’s an easier defensive position that he can be adequate at and he’s better than league average for hitting as a second base. Trouble is we have too many other second basemen.

[2ninr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

Betting on the wrong horse Mel.

[Carp4Cy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88SRhJ2fbc

The report on IH was not glowing. Sounds like even he is not satisfied with his throwing. But early.

I sort of laugh when they talk about Yadi coming in for a day. He ain’t fixing IH in a day.

Or a week.
Or a month.
Or a year.
Or a decade.

Can Gorman or Walker be fixed in that amount of time ?

Herrera can never be an adequate MLB catcher from the perspective of defense.
Not going to happen - pitchers will simply not permit it.
Maybe a DH, or LF, or 1B - if he can prove the brief power surge in September was not a fluke.
Gorman can be "fixed" by hitting 2 more singles in every 100 PA's.
Walker probably needs to be traded to a different organization - the current staff broke his game and is therefore likely incompetent to help him.

That would make Gorman arguably serviceable I suppose. But it doesn’t replace even half of Nado circa 2022. And that’s what we need to get back to the playoffs. And Gorman will never begin to replace Nado/Rolens defense.

Power hitting 3B's with elite defense such as N/A and Rolen come along less than once in a generation in all of MLB.
No one should ever lay that expectation on anyone else.
All Gorman needs to do is hit is hit .235-.240 with an .320 OBP (2 more singles per 100 PA's), and with his 25+HR/80+ RBI proven track record, he would be a top 5 MLB 3B, with roughly average defense.
Not that far away.
As for Herrera, the best thing STL can do is get him out from behind the plate and see if he can become more consistent with his power production - which has been nearly non-existent prior to last September.
Reality is, if STL can achieve that with those 2, have Winn and Burleson consistently repeat last year, and have Wetherholt prove to be a breakout star, they will be well on their way to returning to success.
It is not as far away as many think it is.

Also we’ve had two Hall of Fame caliber third base plus one World Series MVP this century. And we’ve had three elite first baseman winning multiple MVPs in the last 30 years.

None of those guys needed just two or three more hits per hundred at bats to raise their average to a respectable level. They had talent, they worked hard, they used it, They got results. No if onlys needed. And Only one of those guys was actually drafted by the Cardinals, however. Maybe we need to raise our expectations at elite critical positions and make the right trades for the right elite talent instead of just wishing the guy we had was good enough. We are the St. Louis Cardinals after all.