Are They Serious About A RHH?

[scoutyjones2]

Coby Mayo is older than JW and hasn't proven [shirt]. He's bad at 1b and Saggasse has more value. Hard pass

[Talkin' Baseball]

I hear Bloom hinting (teasing?) about perhaps making more moves. Is he serious, or just putting comments out there to keep the fanbase engaged? While it makes for great press and gives "journalists" starving for material something write, or talk about, trades of even modest magnitude seldom get done by any team once spring training begins.

If he is serious, here are two teams that still have needs we match up with and have players that would be helpful to us. I've mentioned both previously.

The Orioles just lost Jackson Holliday for some time with a broken hamate. They also still need pitching depth, both in the rotation and the bullpen. Ken Rosenthal is reporting that they are entertaining trading either Ryan Mountcastle, or Coby Mayo. Offer Thomas Saggese (13.2 BTV) for Mayo (BTV 8.3). Saggese can fill in for Holliday and move around when he comes back. Include a minor league pitcher if it helps. Or, expand the deal and also send them Romero (BTV 6.3) for their Comp A pick (BTV 5) in addition the Mayo-Saggese proposal. It doesn't have to be these exact players, but there is definitely a fit to be had- work it out.

The A's still need starting pitching at any level and have a glut of outfielders. Offer Andre Pallante (BTV 7) and Pete Hansen (BTV 2.3) for OF Colby Thomas. Again, it doesn't have to be exactly these players, but there is some type of fit- work it out.

There you go- 2 RHH. Coby and Colby.

I've wanted Coby Mayo for a while now. Where does he play then? 3B? Moving Gorman to DH. 1B? Moving Burly to OF or DH.

I guess any of that is on the table. He plays 3B/1B. He could platoon with Gorman. He could play 1B and send Burleson to LF until Noot gets back, or he still has one more option left. You could send him to Memphis and let the development people work with him, give Gorman a full chance to sink or swim with a real option if he fails, and keep Burleson at 1B. I guess if you really liked Gorman and Mayo by mid-summer, you may start wondering what you could get for Burleson.

If Mayo is an upgrade to what we have, it doesn’t matter who he displaces. We need to get talent in here.

One contrast for Mayo versus others the Cardinals have brought in over the offseason- he is ready, or very near ready to play in the majors.

[scoutyjones2]

I hear Bloom hinting (teasing?) about perhaps making more moves. Is he serious, or just putting comments out there to keep the fanbase engaged? While it makes for great press and gives "journalists" starving for material something write, or talk about, trades of even modest magnitude seldom get done by any team once spring training begins.

If he is serious, here are two teams that still have needs we match up with and have players that would be helpful to us. I've mentioned both previously.

The Orioles just lost Jackson Holliday for some time with a broken hamate. They also still need pitching depth, both in the rotation and the bullpen. Ken Rosenthal is reporting that they are entertaining trading either Ryan Mountcastle, or Coby Mayo. Offer Thomas Saggese (13.2 BTV) for Mayo (BTV 8.3). Saggese can fill in for Holliday and move around when he comes back. Include a minor league pitcher if it helps. Or, expand the deal and also send them Romero (BTV 6.3) for their Comp A pick (BTV 5) in addition the Mayo-Saggese proposal. It doesn't have to be these exact players, but there is definitely a fit to be had- work it out.

The A's still need starting pitching at any level and have a glut of outfielders. Offer Andre Pallante (BTV 7) and Pete Hansen (BTV 2.3) for OF Colby Thomas. Again, it doesn't have to be exactly these players, but there is some type of fit- work it out.

There you go- 2 RHH. Coby and Colby.

I've wanted Coby Mayo for a while now. Where does he play then? 3B? Moving Gorman to DH. 1B? Moving Burly to OF or DH.

I guess any of that is on the table. He plays 3B/1B. He could platoon with Gorman. He could play 1B and send Burleson to LF until Noot gets back, or he still has one more option left. You could send him to Memphis and let the development people work with him, give Gorman a full chance to sink or swim with a real option if he fails, and keep Burleson at 1B. I guess if you really liked Gorman and Mayo by mid-summer, you may start wondering what you could get for Burleson.

If Mayo is an upgrade to what we have, it doesn’t matter who he displaces. We need to get talent in here.

One contrast for Mayo versus others the Cardinals have brought in over the offseason- he is ready, or very near ready to play in the majors.

How so?

Bunch of bull[shirt]

[Melville]

For instance, would you give up Quinn Mathews, or Tink Hence?

For the right return (an average RH corner outfielder), yes.

Agree with you, but in this specific case we are talking about Coby Mayo. What do you think about that?

Not much.
They don't need yet another RH hitting 1B/DH/3B option after spending the off-season clearing the clutter from those very roles - and they still have Saggese on hand as Plan B if needed.
Mayo accomplishes nothing.

Mayo has really big upside. I think he needs a change of scenery.

That does not make him a fit.
Realistically, his best position is DH.
His has produced LESS than Walker, Herrea, Gorman, or Burleson in the early stages of his career and there is zero indication that he will be any better long-term - while his glove is worse than any from that group.
It would be silly to add him to the mix while continuing to ignore the black hole in the outfield.
Wrong guy, wrong time.

[Melville]

Coby Mayo is older than JW and hasn't proven [shirt]. He's bad at 1b and Saggasse has more value. Hard pass

Correct analysis.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Coby Mayo is older than JW and hasn't proven [shirt]. He's bad at 1b and Saggasse has more value. Hard pass

Can I assume from your response that you wouldn't give up Saggese for him? That you would rather have Pallante than Mayo? That you wouldn't give up Mathews or Hence to get him? Because these guys have proven ****? Not every conversation requires a grumpy response.

[scoutyjones2]

Coby Mayo is older than JW and hasn't proven [shirt]. He's bad at 1b and Saggasse has more value. Hard pass

Can I assume from your response that you wouldn't give up Saggese for him? That you would rather have Pallante than Mayo? That you wouldn't give up Mathews or Hence to get him? Because these guys have proven ****? Not every conversation requires a grumpy response.

I stated my case, Bloomer. Nothing but facts, not " look at the other teams shiny turd."

[rage-STL]

I think Velazquez and Ramos are the RH bats to go along with Fermin and Saggese. Baez should arrive by ‘27, Honeymann soon after that. Jordan Walker finding traction and becoming a legitimate contributor changes the outlook for this team in a big way.

I don't think they can carry all of Ramos, Saggese, Fermin, and Velazquez, can they?

1.) Winn (R)
2.) Wetherholt (L)
3.) Gorman (L)
4.) Scott II (L)
5.) Walker (R)
6.) Herrera (R)
7.) Crooks (L)/Pages (R)
8.) Burleson (L)
9.) Church (L)
10.) Saggese (R)
11.) Fermin (R)
12.) Ramos (R)
13.) Velasquez (R)

Well, after listing them, maybe they can.

Velazquez signed a minor league deal so I bet he goes to Memphis. Ramos was added to the 40 man roster so it’s a definite possibility he breaks camp with the team if he shows he can be serviceable in LF. The Saggese/Fermin OF experiment will be something to keep an eye on. I think Saggese ends up starting at 3B, DH or LF on opening day.

[Cardinals4Life]

For instance, would you give up Quinn Mathews, or Tink Hence?

For the right return (an average RH corner outfielder), yes.

Agree with you, but in this specific case we are talking about Coby Mayo. What do you think about that?

Not much.
They don't need yet another RH hitting 1B/DH/3B option after spending the off-season clearing the clutter from those very roles - and they still have Saggese on hand as Plan B if needed.
Mayo accomplishes nothing.

Mayo has really big upside. I think he needs a change of scenery.

That does not make him a fit.
Realistically, his best position is DH.
His has produced LESS than Walker, Herrea, Gorman, or Burleson in the early stages of his career and there is zero indication that he will be any better long-term - while his glove is worse than any from that group.
It would be silly to add him to the mix while continuing to ignore the black hole in the outfield.
Wrong guy, wrong time.

I'd argue we should be acquiring all the high-upside talent ee can find this year and see what we have. There is NOBODY blocking anyone on this roster. Get the talent and figure out who can play!

[Melville]

For instance, would you give up Quinn Mathews, or Tink Hence?

For the right return (an average RH corner outfielder), yes.

Agree with you, but in this specific case we are talking about Coby Mayo. What do you think about that?

Not much.
They don't need yet another RH hitting 1B/DH/3B option after spending the off-season clearing the clutter from those very roles - and they still have Saggese on hand as Plan B if needed.
Mayo accomplishes nothing.

Mayo has really big upside. I think he needs a change of scenery.

That does not make him a fit.
Realistically, his best position is DH.
His has produced LESS than Walker, Herrea, Gorman, or Burleson in the early stages of his career and there is zero indication that he will be any better long-term - while his glove is worse than any from that group.
It would be silly to add him to the mix while continuing to ignore the black hole in the outfield.
Wrong guy, wrong time.

I'd argue we should be acquiring all the high-upside talent ee can find this year and see what we have. There is NOBODY blocking anyone on this roster. Get the talent and figure out who can play!

Respectfully, we disagree - which is uncommon.
Amassing duplicative bodies and hoping to get lucky is a poor substitute for intentional and strategic organization building.
Super Slo Mo believed in the power of love.
I don't want to see the Cardinals replace that with a POBO who believes in pure dumb luck.
I prefer informed, calculated, data driven decision making.
They need a RH hitting outfielder.
Mayo will never be one.
Wrong guy, wrong time, wrong fit.

[Carp4Cy]

For instance, would you give up Quinn Mathews, or Tink Hence?

For the right return (an average RH corner outfielder), yes.

Agree with you, but in this specific case we are talking about Coby Mayo. What do you think about that?

Not much.
They don't need yet another RH hitting 1B/DH/3B option after spending the off-season clearing the clutter from those very roles - and they still have Saggese on hand as Plan B if needed.
Mayo accomplishes nothing.

Mayo has really big upside. I think he needs a change of scenery.

That does not make him a fit.
Realistically, his best position is DH.
His has produced LESS than Walker, Herrea, Gorman, or Burleson in the early stages of his career and there is zero indication that he will be any better long-term - while his glove is worse than any from that group.
It would be silly to add him to the mix while continuing to ignore the black hole in the outfield.
Wrong guy, wrong time.

I'd argue we should be acquiring all the high-upside talent ee can find this year and see what we have. There is NOBODY blocking anyone on this roster. Get the talent and figure out who can play!

This. If we want youth we need talent that has a chance to be great and develop them. Stop with these retreads of guaranteed AAAA players with no ceiling.

Or else we have to go and spend 8 figures to get proven hitters

[Talkin' Baseball]

For instance, would you give up Quinn Mathews, or Tink Hence?

For the right return (an average RH corner outfielder), yes.

Agree with you, but in this specific case we are talking about Coby Mayo. What do you think about that?

Not much.
They don't need yet another RH hitting 1B/DH/3B option after spending the off-season clearing the clutter from those very roles - and they still have Saggese on hand as Plan B if needed.
Mayo accomplishes nothing.

Mayo has really big upside. I think he needs a change of scenery.

That does not make him a fit.
Realistically, his best position is DH.
His has produced LESS than Walker, Herrea, Gorman, or Burleson in the early stages of his career and there is zero indication that he will be any better long-term - while his glove is worse than any from that group.
It would be silly to add him to the mix while continuing to ignore the black hole in the outfield.
Wrong guy, wrong time.

I'd argue we should be acquiring all the high-upside talent ee can find this year and see what we have. There is NOBODY blocking anyone on this roster. Get the talent and figure out who can play!

This. If we want youth we need talent that has a chance to be great and develop them. Stop with these retreads of guaranteed AAAA players with no ceiling.

Or else we have to go and spend 8 figures to get proven hitters

Carp4Cy, what do you think would appropriate to give up for Mayo?

[renostl]

No reason to think Bloom is not serious about Righty Bat.
Everything else he has said since taking over has come to fruition..
Trading Gray, getting Contreras to waive NTC trading him, Arenado And Donovan.
My guess he had been working the phone on some righty bat
Remember it takes two to tango. Someone must want what you wish to trade.
As with Donovan, patience. camp just starting forMLB teams.

Actually, facts suggest Bloom has not been at all serious about acquiring a RH bat up to this point - and therefore probably is not now either.
After all, he traded the best RH bat on the roster (Contreras), and Gray, and Donovan - and made zero effort to ensure a solid RH outfield bat was part of the return.
As I have analyzed and explained with perfect insight previously, his actions make his thinking ridiculously obvious.
Going into 2026, he is desperately hoping for Walker to make an unexpected jump forward and is also wanting to see if Baez can force himself into the conversation during ST which would allow for a potential promotion in June of July - while leaving reps potentially available for Herrera once the pitching staff ejects him from behind the plate for the 3rd consecutive season.
Like it or not, those are the RH outfield bats Bloom is betting on for now.
Could add a piece 5 or 6 weeks from now if he does not like what he is seeing.

Pitching that has been acquired was also needed.
Even more is needed. They wouldn't get immediate pitching help
in many trades involving SG or WC. Those players go to win now teams.
So the returns were appropriate, hopefully successful.

The acquired positional player needs some certainty to him, IMO.
That player needs to project higher than Walker, Baez, Saggese, Velazquez, etc, which
some would see as easy, but it still needs to come with enough certainty to do it.

Donovan goes to a team wanting a bat. The returning bat would be projected
without being a known quantity. Some here liked Montes. He may or may not have met
your criteria, he has his faults regardless. Now could they or should they have added to
Donovan to get that? yes I have typed that before as a suggestion.

If a player meets that upside then use what is needed to get such. Why add another
OF'er with the same number of question marks as what's in house? The Cards
have many options still as you have mentioned.

[Cardinals4Life]

For instance, would you give up Quinn Mathews, or Tink Hence?

For the right return (an average RH corner outfielder), yes.

Agree with you, but in this specific case we are talking about Coby Mayo. What do you think about that?

Not much.
They don't need yet another RH hitting 1B/DH/3B option after spending the off-season clearing the clutter from those very roles - and they still have Saggese on hand as Plan B if needed.
Mayo accomplishes nothing.

Mayo has really big upside. I think he needs a change of scenery.

That does not make him a fit.
Realistically, his best position is DH.
His has produced LESS than Walker, Herrea, Gorman, or Burleson in the early stages of his career and there is zero indication that he will be any better long-term - while his glove is worse than any from that group.
It would be silly to add him to the mix while continuing to ignore the black hole in the outfield.
Wrong guy, wrong time.

I'd argue we should be acquiring all the high-upside talent ee can find this year and see what we have. There is NOBODY blocking anyone on this roster. Get the talent and figure out who can play!

Respectfully, we disagree - which is uncommon.
Amassing duplicative bodies and hoping to get lucky is a poor substitute for intentional and strategic organization building.
Super Slo Mo believed in the power of love.
I don't want to see the Cardinals replace that with a POBO who believes in pure dumb luck.
I prefer informed, calculated, data driven decision making.
They need a RH hitting outfielder.
Mayo will never be one.
Wrong guy, wrong time, wrong fit.

I understand your point. I also have always thought that Coby Mayo was going to be a star. Now I could be wrong, but I think he is young enough to still get that out of him. (Same for Dominguez, too.) I think some players, though appearing redundant, are worth taling that chance on. Mayo, IMO, is that guy.

[JuanAgosto]

Depends on who you are asking about. Im confident Bloom is serious about wanting to build the best roster he can. As for DeWitt, he hasn't been serious about winning for years. That is why the team is projected to win 70 games. That is why Johnny (dim bulb) was kept around for far too long.

DeWitt has focused on being cheap and squeezing every cent he can. He probably checks under every stadium seat for loose change after games.

This doesn't really relate to this post.

Sure it does. Question was about adding a RH bat. I said Bloom would probably like to but Dewitt is too cheap .

Bloom isn't out there talking about it publicly if it isn't going to be allowed. If that were the case, he would just talk about something else.

They may sign a RH bat. But it won't be one that costs. It will be low-hanging fruit. The DeWitt special.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Depends on who you are asking about. Im confident Bloom is serious about wanting to build the best roster he can. As for DeWitt, he hasn't been serious about winning for years. That is why the team is projected to win 70 games. That is why Johnny (dim bulb) was kept around for far too long.

DeWitt has focused on being cheap and squeezing every cent he can. He probably checks under every stadium seat for loose change after games.

This doesn't really relate to this post.

Sure it does. Question was about adding a RH bat. I said Bloom would probably like to but Dewitt is too cheap .

Bloom isn't out there talking about it publicly if it isn't going to be allowed. If that were the case, he would just talk about something else.

They may sign a RH bat. But it won't be one that costs. It will be low-hanging fruit. The DeWitt special.

Same with the signing. They have already signed some low cost options. They aren't pretending that these were all that is needed. But, if you want to be mad at the Dewitt's, go ahead. They have definitely made mistakes.