Binnington starting vs Czechia

[callitwhatyouwant]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

And I want him to stay in Saint Louis.

Amen to this!

Easily my favorite Blue (next to Pronger) and would be thrilled if he played his entire career in STL and got a statue.

He had me at "Do I look nervous?" Honestly, that's the statue.

And it should play Ginuwine's "Pony" when you walk by.

Perfect.

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Finally got that franchise goalie and fans want to (bleep) all over him. I don't get it. Seriously cannot remember a time being a Blues fan with an internet connection where there weren't people whining about the goalie no matter how good they were playing.

The more infuriating part is this. Colton Parayko having a career year? Trade him at max value. Binner proving he still has it. Trade him!!! Faulk showing he is a good player. Trade HIM!!!!! There's a large contingent of fans that aren't real fans or don't know what following a team and rooting them on looks like. I've said it already, but I'll say it again. They would rather see the team burn and be right than see the team be good. And then when the team does well, they hide but secretly are enjoying the spoils that come with that as well, such as the energy in the city, the fan base being excited etc etc. They all shut up and hide and enjoy that side. These aren't real fans. They are the epitome of fair weather.

In regards to Binner. If he wants to be here, he gets to be here. There's no guaranteeing he's the starter over Hofer if Hofer keeps outplaying him in a couple years. But having him on the roster and trying to keep the duo at 10-12m would be fine by me. Man deserves a statue. And like a Molina, if he is willing to be a Blue, and signs at a reasonable price, he gets to be here. He earned it.

[gpe13579]

I think 50 should get a statue.....never buy another Budweiser in this city.....AND be traded.

His best value for this organization to get going is by trading him. Doesn't mean people are trashing him. It just is what it is at this stage for the organization and it's always about the organization. Not the player.

Organizations that hold on to legacy players longer than they should stay mired in the muck longer than they should.

Great leaders make tough decisions and even though 50 will always be an all-time great Blue, it's best for the organization to move him.

It's not personal.

[MandatoryDenial]

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Well speaking for the "crazy" I want him to do better and to display his value because I want to maximize our value in the possibility of a trade. I think options are great things to have and I think that a Binnington that proves he is still a big game goaltender can bring in quite a bit of value. If teams aren't willing to pay, then you simply don't move him. However I simply don't understand people who want to cling to a player that will ruin your ability to draft elite talent by winning you meaningless games simultaneously missing the playoffs and making you unable to draft elite talent. I would rather pick a direction and follow it through faithfully even if it means we are a lottery team for two to three years.

That being said I understand your point of view as well. It would be nice to hold onto some veterans and to allow them to finish their career here. I just think that in the case of Binnington it may be very counterproductive to our long term goal which should be the second cup without waiting 30 more years.

[LGB73]

I think 50 should get a statue.....never buy another Budweiser in this city.....AND be traded.

His best value for this organization to get going is by trading him. Doesn't mean people are trashing him. It just is what it is at this stage for the organization and it's always about the organization. Not the player.

Organizations that hold on to legacy players longer than they should stay mired in the muck longer than they should.

Great leaders make tough decisions and even though 50 will always be an all-time great Blue, it's best for the organization to move him.

It's not personal.

+1. It's always about the team and never about the player. If the team is better off trading a guy in the opinion of management, then the guy could be the greatest Blue every and he should still get traded. It should always be about winning Cups and never about memorializing past player contributions.

[Cahokanut]

Binny started with shutting down every play. At times he looked kinda shakey.

He got the shutout. But I don't think he played all that good.

If Army can talk up, him showing up, for the big games. A first, or a second, plus. Should be on the board. And Binny should pull that.

[dhsux]

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Well speaking for the "crazy" I want him to do better and to display his value because I want to maximize our value in the possibility of a trade. I think options are great things to have and I think that a Binnington that proves he is still a big game goaltender can bring in quite a bit of value. If teams aren't willing to pay, then you simply don't move him. However I simply don't understand people who want to cling to a player that will ruin your ability to draft elite talent by winning you meaningless games simultaneously missing the playoffs and making you unable to draft elite talent. I would rather pick a direction and follow it through faithfully even if it means we are a lottery team for two to three years.

That being said I understand your point of view as well. It would be nice to hold onto some veterans and to allow them to finish their career here. I just think that in the case of Binnington it may be very counterproductive to our long term goal which should be the second cup without waiting 30 more years.

MD these are all opinions we are throwing out here. I do get yours.

Mine is twofold.

First he holds a place here like no other player. There is FRANCHISE VALUE in that, value that a franchise might not find in another decade or two. I am pretty sure the owners understand that, they certainly should and try best they can to keep it.

Secondly, opinion wise....he is not a washed up player. I don't really know why he faltered this year more than others and he did but no way do I look for this to continue in what well may be a long career. He is a worthy player to be paid to be a Blue.......all this trade talk please fill in the blank on what happens to this important player and position. And I have yet to mention the big-game aspect that he has proven to possess multiple times and that ain't sitting around on street corners.

Keep him here....for my money he will earn what he gets AND the Blues win too.

[Hooking]

He got the shutout. But I don't think he played all that good.

[George Zipp]

He got the shutout. But I don't think he played all that good.

You beat me to it. You just can’t make this stuff up.

Like saying Sydney Sweeney has a beautiful huge rack, a great (donkey) and looks like she is a blast to be around but I just can’t see myself wanting to bang her.

[zamadoo]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

And I want him to stay in Saint Louis.

Amen to this!

Easily my favorite Blue (next to Pronger) and would be thrilled if he played his entire career in STL and got a statue.

He had me at "Do I look nervous?" Honestly, that's the statue.

And it should play Ginuwine's "Pony" when you walk by.

Perfect.

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Finally got that franchise goalie and fans want to (bleep) all over him. I don't get it. Seriously cannot remember a time being a Blues fan with an internet connection where there weren't people whining about the goalie no matter how good they were playing.

I agree with all of you. I said something very similar not too long ago.

[MandatoryDenial]

First he holds a place here like no other player. There is FRANCHISE VALUE in that, value that a franchise might not find in another decade or two. I am pretty sure the owners understand that, they certainly should and try best they can to keep it.

No I agree completely with this. Having lived through Dominick Hasek (the man with a slinky for a spine), Curtis Joseph singlehandedly keeping the Blues in games during the lean years right after Vincent Reindeau, and finally Patrick Roy being the Canadiens and then making the Av's a perennial threat I have seen the effect of goaltenders and know that they can make the difference, every single game. That is one of the great things about the position is you can be really good and simultaneously be shut down by a lights out goaltender. Having someone with that capability was the reason we won in 2019. To those that watched games closely that year, that much was obvious. I fully acknowledge Binnington has been in fact one of those types of goaltenders. You are not wrong in that his value is franchise level when games count.

Secondly, opinion wise....he is not a washed up player. I don't really know why he faltered this year more than others and he did but no way do I look for this to continue in what well may be a long career. He is a worthy player to be paid to be a Blue.......all this trade talk please fill in the blank on what happens to this important player and position. And I have yet to mention the big-game aspect that he has proven to possess multiple times and that ain't sitting around on street corners.

We also agree here. I don't blame Binnington for what has happened here this year. This defense is really problematic, I would keep two and if we could I would jettison the rest. That isn't hyperbolic, I think that is the reality of where we are. This defense has been a problem, coaching has been a problem especially special teams and this hasn't been just recently. The fact that we couldn't defend 6 on 5 and seemed to play better 5 on 5 made me question if they are even practicing these key scenarios. We need to absolutely clean house this off season of anyone not named Montgomery and someone needs to sit Montgomery down and make certain musical goaltenders don't happen again. When you have a 1A and a 1B for instance you go with the hot hand. This goaltenders winning games and being replaced the next game is terrible coaching. I really don't understand why Monty was o'k with this but not my call. I am getting on a tangent but I do agree with you what has happened this year isn't on Binnington at all. He hasn't been great. Anyone claiming he has isn't seeing reality, the reality is he isn't responsible for all that is happening to us this year. Our team needs help and we need an elite talent infusion very badly on this team. Being bad in my opinion is the surest way to get what we want. Whether its Stenberg, McKenna, or a Dman at position 1,2, or 3 this in my opinion should be our top priority and we should do nothing to jeopardize that pick. That pick is the most logical way forward and I want to see us carry on through now that we have gotten to this point. Anyway much respect to your position as well, as I said I do understand your point completely.

[dhsux]

First he holds a place here like no other player. There is FRANCHISE VALUE in that, value that a franchise might not find in another decade or two. I am pretty sure the owners understand that, they certainly should and try best they can to keep it.

No I agree completely with this. Having lived through Dominick Hasek (the man with a slinky for a spine), Curtis Joseph singlehandedly keeping the Blues in games during the lean years right after Vincent Reindeau, and finally Patrick Roy being the Canadiens and then making the Av's a perennial threat I have seen the effect of goaltenders and know that they can make the difference, every single game. That is one of the great things about the position is you can be really good and simultaneously be shut down by a lights out goaltender. Having someone with that capability was the reason we won in 2019. To those that watched games closely that year, that much was obvious. I fully acknowledge Binnington has been in fact one of those types of goaltenders. You are not wrong in that his value is franchise level when games count.

Secondly, opinion wise....he is not a washed up player. I don't really know why he faltered this year more than others and he did but no way do I look for this to continue in what well may be a long career. He is a worthy player to be paid to be a Blue.......all this trade talk please fill in the blank on what happens to this important player and position. And I have yet to mention the big-game aspect that he has proven to possess multiple times and that ain't sitting around on street corners.

We also agree here. I don't blame Binnington for what has happened here this year. This defense is really problematic, I would keep two and if we could I would jettison the rest. That isn't hyperbolic, I think that is the reality of where we are. This defense has been a problem, coaching has been a problem especially special teams and this hasn't been just recently. The fact that we couldn't defend 6 on 5 and seemed to play better 5 on 5 made me question if they are even practicing these key scenarios. We need to absolutely clean house this off season of anyone not named Montgomery and someone needs to sit Montgomery down and make certain musical goaltenders don't happen again. When you have a 1A and a 1B for instance you go with the hot hand. This goaltenders winning games and being replaced the next game is terrible coaching. I really don't understand why Monty was o'k with this but not my call. I am getting on a tangent but I do agree with you what has happened this year isn't on Binnington at all. He hasn't been great. Anyone claiming he has isn't seeing reality, the reality is he isn't responsible for all that is happening to us this year. Our team needs help and we need an elite talent infusion very badly on this team. Being bad in my opinion is the surest way to get what we want. Whether its Stenberg, McKenna, or a Dman at position 1,2, or 3 this in my opinion should be our top priority and we should do nothing to jeopardize that pick. That pick is the most logical way forward and I want to see us carry on through now that we have gotten to this point. Anyway much respect to your position as well, as I said I do understand your point completely.

Well said...thanks.

[Army's Mom]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

And I want him to stay in Saint Louis.

Amen to this!

Easily my favorite Blue (next to Pronger) and would be thrilled if he played his entire career in STL and got a statue.

He had me at "Do I look nervous?" Honestly, that's the statue.

And it should play Ginuwine's "Pony" when you walk by.

Perfect.

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Finally got that franchise goalie and fans want to (bleep) all over him. I don't get it. Seriously cannot remember a time being a Blues fan with an internet connection where there weren't people whining about the goalie no matter how good they were playing.

The more infuriating part is this. Colton Parayko having a career year? Trade him at max value. Binner proving he still has it. Trade him!!! Faulk showing he is a good player. Trade HIM!!!!! There's a large contingent of fans that aren't real fans or don't know what following a team and rooting them on looks like. I've said it already, but I'll say it again. They would rather see the team burn and be right than see the team be good. And then when the team does well, they hide but secretly are enjoying the spoils that come with that as well, such as the energy in the city, the fan base being excited etc etc. They all shut up and hide and enjoy that side. These aren't real fans. They are the epitome of fair weather.

Not sure who you're talking about, but I take issue.

I'm all for trading Parayko, Binner, and Faulk. None of them will be within their athletic peaks when the Blues can expect to be better. We've seen this same core underwhelm for three or four straight seasons - it'd be insanity to run it back.

So I start by trading out the misfit pieces. I don't think Kyrou fits the way the Blues are built - maybe moving on from him is enough to improve the outcome? But that isn't likely (you're either trading Kyrou for futures, or another misfit piece - it's highly unlikely you're actually upgrading the roster in a Kyrou move).

If the roster isn't made better by moving out Kyrou, then why keep the other veterans who will be too old in 3-4 years? That's Parayko, Schenn, Faulk, Binnington. Thomas will still be young enough, so I keep him unless I get a ridiculous offer (four Top 15 equivalent picks sounds about right).

Binner? He's the hardest to replace. If he wants to be here through another rebuild, he's earned that right. But I'd talk to him about it and see what's out there.

Parayko? I'm not sure where his back will be in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Faulk? I'm not sure how much he'll have left in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Schenn? I doubt he'll have much left in 2-3 years, so I'm tempted to sell high. But he's the captain, and he's earned the right to stay.

I root for them to win every game and take comfort in the knowledge that each loss brings us closer to a potential stud to rebuild around. There's nothing fair weather about that - if anything, it's borne out of a hatred of seeing just how badly this roster has been capable of playing.

[seattleblue]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

And I want him to stay in Saint Louis.

Amen to this!

Easily my favorite Blue (next to Pronger) and would be thrilled if he played his entire career in STL and got a statue.

He had me at "Do I look nervous?" Honestly, that's the statue.

And it should play Ginuwine's "Pony" when you walk by.

Perfect.

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Finally got that franchise goalie and fans want to (bleep) all over him. I don't get it. Seriously cannot remember a time being a Blues fan with an internet connection where there weren't people whining about the goalie no matter how good they were playing.

The more infuriating part is this. Colton Parayko having a career year? Trade him at max value. Binner proving he still has it. Trade him!!! Faulk showing he is a good player. Trade HIM!!!!! There's a large contingent of fans that aren't real fans or don't know what following a team and rooting them on looks like. I've said it already, but I'll say it again. They would rather see the team burn and be right than see the team be good. And then when the team does well, they hide but secretly are enjoying the spoils that come with that as well, such as the energy in the city, the fan base being excited etc etc. They all shut up and hide and enjoy that side. These aren't real fans. They are the epitome of fair weather.

Not sure who you're talking about, but I take issue.

I'm all for trading Parayko, Binner, and Faulk. None of them will be within their athletic peaks when the Blues can expect to be better. We've seen this same core underwhelm for three or four straight seasons - it'd be insanity to run it back.

So I start by trading out the misfit pieces. I don't think Kyrou fits the way the Blues are built - maybe moving on from him is enough to improve the outcome? But that isn't likely (you're either trading Kyrou for futures, or another misfit piece - it's highly unlikely you're actually upgrading the roster in a Kyrou move).

If the roster isn't made better by moving out Kyrou, then why keep the other veterans who will be too old in 3-4 years? That's Parayko, Schenn, Faulk, Binnington. Thomas will still be young enough, so I keep him unless I get a ridiculous offer (four Top 15 equivalent picks sounds about right).

Binner? He's the hardest to replace. If he wants to be here through another rebuild, he's earned that right. But I'd talk to him about it and see what's out there.

Parayko? I'm not sure where his back will be in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Faulk? I'm not sure how much he'll have left in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Schenn? I doubt he'll have much left in 2-3 years, so I'm tempted to sell high. But he's the captain, and he's earned the right to stay.

I root for them to win every game and take comfort in the knowledge that each loss brings us closer to a potential stud to rebuild around. There's nothing fair weather about that - if anything, it's borne out of a hatred of seeing just how badly this roster has been capable of playing.

When things go south in competition's context there's two primary types of reactions. Some want to dissect and improve the situation. Some lose their mind with the person trying to dissect and improve the situation.

The second type will literally tell you they are infuriated by the first type, and it's really personal to them. You are responding to a post where he literally told you how infuriated he is with you. Get that? The team sucks, so he entitled himself to be infuriated at you. It's equally toxic as the open trolling because it serves the same purpose, emotional slop directed at the people who share the hobby. Talking about this team is a committed slog.

[TAFKAP]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

And I want him to stay in Saint Louis.

Amen to this!

Easily my favorite Blue (next to Pronger) and would be thrilled if he played his entire career in STL and got a statue.

He had me at "Do I look nervous?" Honestly, that's the statue.

And it should play Ginuwine's "Pony" when you walk by.

Perfect.

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Finally got that franchise goalie and fans want to (bleep) all over him. I don't get it. Seriously cannot remember a time being a Blues fan with an internet connection where there weren't people whining about the goalie no matter how good they were playing.

The more infuriating part is this. Colton Parayko having a career year? Trade him at max value. Binner proving he still has it. Trade him!!! Faulk showing he is a good player. Trade HIM!!!!! There's a large contingent of fans that aren't real fans or don't know what following a team and rooting them on looks like. I've said it already, but I'll say it again. They would rather see the team burn and be right than see the team be good. And then when the team does well, they hide but secretly are enjoying the spoils that come with that as well, such as the energy in the city, the fan base being excited etc etc. They all shut up and hide and enjoy that side. These aren't real fans. They are the epitome of fair weather.

Not sure who you're talking about, but I take issue.

I'm all for trading Parayko, Binner, and Faulk. None of them will be within their athletic peaks when the Blues can expect to be better. We've seen this same core underwhelm for three or four straight seasons - it'd be insanity to run it back.

So I start by trading out the misfit pieces. I don't think Kyrou fits the way the Blues are built - maybe moving on from him is enough to improve the outcome? But that isn't likely (you're either trading Kyrou for futures, or another misfit piece - it's highly unlikely you're actually upgrading the roster in a Kyrou move).

If the roster isn't made better by moving out Kyrou, then why keep the other veterans who will be too old in 3-4 years? That's Parayko, Schenn, Faulk, Binnington. Thomas will still be young enough, so I keep him unless I get a ridiculous offer (four Top 15 equivalent picks sounds about right).

Binner? He's the hardest to replace. If he wants to be here through another rebuild, he's earned that right. But I'd talk to him about it and see what's out there.

Parayko? I'm not sure where his back will be in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Faulk? I'm not sure how much he'll have left in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Schenn? I doubt he'll have much left in 2-3 years, so I'm tempted to sell high. But he's the captain, and he's earned the right to stay.

I root for them to win every game and take comfort in the knowledge that each loss brings us closer to a potential stud to rebuild around. There's nothing fair weather about that - if anything, it's borne out of a hatred of seeing just how badly this roster has been capable of playing.

The thing I disagree with is trading BOTH Faulk and Colt. Next season your #1 RHD is Logan Mailloux. If quality RHD's were easy to replace, they wouldn't have the value we want in return. I'd rather trade Faulk. I don't think Schenn goes anywhere unless he gets a chance to play with Luke.

[Wattage]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

This happens literally every freaking time.

Blues suck, 90% of the fans blame Binnngton. Binnington kills it in olympics, world cup of hockey, all other international play OH and in the NHL playoffs every time he plays and people wonder how anyone could trash the guy.

It's almost like the Blues are just a bad team. Crazy.

binningtin has not always killed it in the nhl playoffs. he was good in thebcup run but his stats werent much better than average. he then put up poor stats his next 2 tries. the one year vs avs wasnt entirely his fault but the year vs canucks definitely was. he did dominate replacing husso the one year before getting injured, but thats the only year he was elite really.

he was fine vs the jets and certainly outplayed helleybuck, but wasnt that special either.

[Army's Mom]

I am not sure how a Blues fan could root against Binnington here. I want him to win, I want him to inflate his trade value, and I want many interested in him come the deadline.

And I want him to stay in Saint Louis.

Amen to this!

Easily my favorite Blue (next to Pronger) and would be thrilled if he played his entire career in STL and got a statue.

He had me at "Do I look nervous?" Honestly, that's the statue.

And it should play Ginuwine's "Pony" when you walk by.

Perfect.

That and to say nothing of what he still has to offer.

People here are crazy to want to move him.

Finally got that franchise goalie and fans want to (bleep) all over him. I don't get it. Seriously cannot remember a time being a Blues fan with an internet connection where there weren't people whining about the goalie no matter how good they were playing.

The more infuriating part is this. Colton Parayko having a career year? Trade him at max value. Binner proving he still has it. Trade him!!! Faulk showing he is a good player. Trade HIM!!!!! There's a large contingent of fans that aren't real fans or don't know what following a team and rooting them on looks like. I've said it already, but I'll say it again. They would rather see the team burn and be right than see the team be good. And then when the team does well, they hide but secretly are enjoying the spoils that come with that as well, such as the energy in the city, the fan base being excited etc etc. They all shut up and hide and enjoy that side. These aren't real fans. They are the epitome of fair weather.

Not sure who you're talking about, but I take issue.

I'm all for trading Parayko, Binner, and Faulk. None of them will be within their athletic peaks when the Blues can expect to be better. We've seen this same core underwhelm for three or four straight seasons - it'd be insanity to run it back.

So I start by trading out the misfit pieces. I don't think Kyrou fits the way the Blues are built - maybe moving on from him is enough to improve the outcome? But that isn't likely (you're either trading Kyrou for futures, or another misfit piece - it's highly unlikely you're actually upgrading the roster in a Kyrou move).

If the roster isn't made better by moving out Kyrou, then why keep the other veterans who will be too old in 3-4 years? That's Parayko, Schenn, Faulk, Binnington. Thomas will still be young enough, so I keep him unless I get a ridiculous offer (four Top 15 equivalent picks sounds about right).

Binner? He's the hardest to replace. If he wants to be here through another rebuild, he's earned that right. But I'd talk to him about it and see what's out there.

Parayko? I'm not sure where his back will be in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Faulk? I'm not sure how much he'll have left in 2-3 years. Sell high.

Schenn? I doubt he'll have much left in 2-3 years, so I'm tempted to sell high. But he's the captain, and he's earned the right to stay.

I root for them to win every game and take comfort in the knowledge that each loss brings us closer to a potential stud to rebuild around. There's nothing fair weather about that - if anything, it's borne out of a hatred of seeing just how badly this roster has been capable of playing.

The thing I disagree with is trading BOTH Faulk and Colt. Next season your #1 RHD is Logan Mailloux. If quality RHD's were easy to replace, they wouldn't have the value we want in return. I'd rather trade Faulk. I don't think Schenn goes anywhere unless he gets a chance to play with Luke.

Admittedly, I'm ambivalent on trading BOTH. If they did, a stopgap replacement has to come back and they'd have to probably add a depth RD in free agency.

I like LM and would HATE to set him up for abject failure as the 1 RHD.