Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 10:17 am
Unfortunately this year is a loss. Take advantage of your good draft position. At least move out kyrou for another potentially 1st rounder. Hope the young players make progress. They look really good for being rookies.
I don't know if this is what you were saying so if I'm interpreting it wrong I apologize, but trading Kyrou for a 1st rounder is a complete and utter waste of an asset. the odds of that first rounder being a top 10 pick are minuscule so it likely would be a late 1st rounder. If you are trading a cost controlled 30 goal near a ppg forward you have to get a player close to equal value back plus the 1st rounder.
Nobody is trading a close to Kyrou value player back and paying a late 1st rounder just for the privilege - the whole League has seen Kyrou's disappearing act and earlier benching. As much as we can say "just keep him then" if the offers aren't good enough, do we really want a sulking Kyrou next year?
I'm not quite in the "addition by subtraction" camp, but IMHO you do need to shake up this core by trading an underachieving member of the big 3. Thomas is the only one you shouldn't trade. Buchnevich is the one you probably can't trade. That leaves Kyrou.
A first and a decent prospect is okay value for where we picked Kyrou.
Stop. Just stop. A first and decent prospect is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy below his value.
He is a 30 goal scorer, averages close to a ppg and is under a very good contract for 5 more seasons.
That has a ton of value no matter how much people may not like him.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
Cmon now.
His draft position means nothing at this point, he's outperformed the majority of the 1st rounders in his draft class.
In a redraft he goes top 10 and very likely top 7 and laine would absolutely fall out of the first round based on his last 3-4 seasons.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
Cmon now.
His draft position means nothing at this point, he's outperformed the majority of the 1st rounders in his draft class.
In a redraft he goes top 10 and very likely top 7 and laine would absolutely fall out of the first round based on his last 3-4 seasons.
Top 10? The guy skates hard for 10 seconds every 5 shifts. A first might be asking too much for him.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
Cmon now.
His draft position means nothing at this point, he's outperformed the majority of the 1st rounders in his draft class.
In a redraft he goes top 10 and very likely top 7 and laine would absolutely fall out of the first round based on his last 3-4 seasons.
Top 10? The guy skates hard for 10 seconds every 5 shifts. A first might be asking too much for him.
He's 10th in scoring from the 2016 class, but with Hagel, Sergachev, McAvoy, Chychrun, Hronek, and Girard right behind him. I'd say he falls solidly in the 12-16 range in a redraft.
But his warts are well known, as is his trade protection. Nobody will offer more than a 1st and prospect IMHO.
If you pass that up, do you really want to bank the next five years on Kyrou either putting it all together or upping is trade value while becoming more amendable to a trade?
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
Cmon now.
His draft position means nothing at this point, he's outperformed the majority of the 1st rounders in his draft class.
In a redraft he goes top 10 and very likely top 7 and laine would absolutely fall out of the first round based on his last 3-4 seasons.
Top 10? The guy skates hard for 10 seconds every 5 shifts. A first might be asking too much for him.
He's 10th in scoring from the 2016 class, but with Hagel, Sergachev, McAvoy, Chychrun, Hronek, and Girard right behind him. I'd say he falls solidly in the 12-16 range in a redraft.
But his warts are well known, as is his trade protection. Nobody will offer more than a 1st and prospect IMHO.
If you pass that up, do you really want to bank the next five years on Kyrou either putting it all together or upping is trade value while becoming more amendable to a trade?
Kyrou is 27. He is what he is. He won't magically "put it all together". He's still Charmin soft when the game gets heavier in the playoffs.
He's the same player he was in Jrs. He simply does not play an NHL game consistently. Blues have young guns who are willing to play that type of game. Snuggerud is. Carbonneau appears to be of that ilk. Dvorsky needs some beef on the bun, but I think he gets there. This Olympics experience is great for him.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
Cmon now.
His draft position means nothing at this point, he's outperformed the majority of the 1st rounders in his draft class.
In a redraft he goes top 10 and very likely top 7 and laine would absolutely fall out of the first round based on his last 3-4 seasons.
Top 10? The guy skates hard for 10 seconds every 5 shifts. A first might be asking too much for him.
He's 10th in scoring from the 2016 class, but with Hagel, Sergachev, McAvoy, Chychrun, Hronek, and Girard right behind him. I'd say he falls solidly in the 12-16 range in a redraft.
But his warts are well known, as is his trade protection. Nobody will offer more than a 1st and prospect IMHO.
If you pass that up, do you really want to bank the next five years on Kyrou either putting it all together or upping is trade value while becoming more amendable to a trade?
I want him gone because I'm personally sick of watching him coast 90% of the time. He's supposed to be our top offensive threat.
And quite frankly, I don't think that is a good example at all for the rookies who are coming up. People can rag on Buch all they want for having some bad years, but id rather have him teaching the kids how to play a hockey game than kyrou.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
He is not just a body. He is our best goal scorer at the moment based on his track record. Let's not be silly. We can hate on the guy--but give him credit also.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
He is not just a body. He is our best goal scorer at the moment based on his track record. Let's not be silly. We can hate on the guy--but give him credit also.
Credit for what? The NHL is still a man's game. And when the lights are brightest, and the competition is fiercest, he folds up like an old lady's tissue.
Last summer, we all saw what the Islanders and the Canadians thought of him. Two teams that could use offensive talent. And I would suspect that he was dangled to more than those two teams as the draft inched closer and his NMC drew closer.
He scored 11 goals in 28 playoff games.
(Thomas has 6 in 52); (Schenn 13 in 82); (Buchnevich has 4 in 27)
faulk (4 in 48)
Schwartz 26 goals in 88 playoff games for Blues
Tarasenko 41 goals in 90 playoff games for blues
O'Reill7 19 goals in 51 games.
(KYROU PACING at 35 in 90)
O'Reilly pacing at 33.
Fact is Kyrou has been a decent playoff scorer. Hes trending better than most recent players outside of Tarasenko.
Better than Perron, Jaden Schwartz, Thomas, Faulk, Buchnevich and many others.
If hes traded ok---Lets not tell false truths about Kyrou. Hes not nearly as bad as some make him out to be.
The truth will set you free. Dont lie Craig!!
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Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
He is not just a body. He is our best goal scorer at the moment based on his track record. Let's not be silly. We can hate on the guy--but give him credit also.
I give him credit for being gifted above average hockey skill. You can have all the skill in the world but if you are too scared to use it or lack the passion to maximize it then you are just average. He's very replaceable.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
He is not just a body. He is our best goal scorer at the moment based on his track record. Let's not be silly. We can hate on the guy--but give him credit also.
I give him credit for being gifted above average hockey skill. You can have all the skill in the world but if you are too scared to use it or lack the passion to maximize it then you are just average. He's very replaceable.
We all hope the return is good if he's traded. He is way too good to give him away. Hes one of the better Blues in recent memory. By posting his stats and comparing him to recent popular Blues---I hope that sheds a little reality on some folks' statements.
Kyrou sucks, hes trash, dump him, etc etc. Just not true. Not that many guys in the NHL that can do what he does. Lots of muckers--not a lot of talented scorers. Everyone has a role to play!!
One shutout, and all of a sudden everything is hunky dory in Blues land and we don’t want to let him go. I’m a big fan, want him to do awesome, and would also like to gauge the trade market for him; but one game doesn’t change that he has almost the worst stats of all NHL goalies this year. The Blues may want to hold onto him this year to preserve the tank! He should get a statue, but if he can net a decent return in a trade, then he gone.
tfriede2 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 13:48 pm
One shutout, and all of a sudden everything is hunky dory in Blues land and we don’t want to let him go. I’m a big fan, want him to do awesome, and would also like to gauge the trade market for him; but one game doesn’t change that he has almost the worst stats of all NHL goalies this year. The Blues may want to hold onto him this year to preserve the tank! He should get a statue, but if he can net a decent return in a trade, then he gone.
this thread has nothing to do with just binner. It was a thread posted with a majority of the roster and injured players playing well and how they are capable of playing. just because there was a series of bad events this season, doesn't mean the team is a total dumpster fire. It means there's an issue that needs to be resolved.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 12:18 pm
Well, he was drafted in the second round so a 1st is a net+. Especially considering that he is basically just a body on the ice.
He is not just a body. He is our best goal scorer at the moment based on his track record. Let's not be silly. We can hate on the guy--but give him credit also.
I give him credit for being gifted above average hockey skill. You can have all the skill in the world but if you are too scared to use it or lack the passion to maximize it then you are just average. He's very replaceable.
We all hope the return is good if he's traded. He is way too good to give him away. Hes one of the better Blues in recent memory. By posting his stats and comparing him to recent popular Blues---I hope that sheds a little reality on some folks' statements.
Kyrou sucks, hes trash, dump him, etc etc. Just not true. Not that many guys in the NHL that can do what he does. Lots of muckers--not a lot of talented scorers. Everyone has a role to play!!
You clearly aren't reading what I am saying. Agree to disagree.
You are not getting a better value contract then with Thomas and Kyrou.
Kyrou's problem isn't his compete as much as it is his coach. It has to be hard working for someone who is only interested in pointing at defensive failures.
If coaching gets out of his way, catches up to the league. Kyrou, Thomas, and another that can play a more elite offensive game.(Holly or Snuggs) Would be one of the better lines in the league.
The need for Kyrou to play defense or with defensive minded linemates is more then mind boggling, it's sabotage.
What makes this conversation worse is those that want to trade this (20+ goal 60+ pt) 6 million dollar man away. Would rather pay 8mil for a less the 20gl 40pt player in who will average 150 hits.
