Skip adding Grichuk Enough .210 hitters already.

[3dender]

In other news they just claimed RH-hitting 3B Bryan Ramos (age 23) off of waivers from Baltimore. He's out of options so I'm betting this'll be their RH hitter. Has played 2B and LF as well... Offseason over.

The Cardinals have claimed former top prospect 3B Bryan Ramos (23) off of waivers from the Orioles.

Ramos was a former top 3 prospect in the White Sox system who has struggled to gain his footing at the MLB level with a career .198/.244/.333 slash line with 3 homers in 36 games. This past season at AAA Charlotte Ramos hit .216 with a .705 OPS with 16 homers and 13 stolen bases in 105 games. He was traded to the Orioles this offseason and then DFAed by them recently. His underlying metrics aren't crazy good, but also not poor and he's more of a power over hit type of profile. He is mainly a 3B where he is average, though he can play LF and 2B in a pinch.

He is out of MiLB options

https://x.com/RedbirdFarmhand/status/20 ... 81646?s=20

[renostl]

In other news they just claimed RH-hitting 3B Bryan Ramos (age 23) off of waivers from Baltimore. He's out of options so I'm betting this'll be their RH hitter. Has played 2B and LF as well... Offseason over.

The Cardinals have claimed former top prospect 3B Bryan Ramos (23) off of waivers from the Orioles.

Ramos was a former top 3 prospect in the White Sox system who has struggled to gain his footing at the MLB level with a career .198/.244/.333 slash line with 3 homers in 36 games. This past season at AAA Charlotte Ramos hit .216 with a .705 OPS with 16 homers and 13 stolen bases in 105 games. He was traded to the Orioles this offseason and then DFAed by them recently. His underlying metrics aren't crazy good, but also not poor and he's more of a power over hit type of profile. He is mainly a 3B where he is average, though he can play LF and 2B in a pinch.

He is out of MiLB options

https://x.com/RedbirdFarmhand/status/20 ... 81646?s=20

Seems odd that he is out of options.
Not 24 yet, with 125 PA's

[Ozziesfan41]

I’m glad Bloom didn’t sign Andujar after trading away Donovan, but my goodness, he signed for 4 mil. That should really tell everyone on here something, if they weren’t even willing to spend that amount!

I get the cheapness, but no need to sign anyone at this point. I mentioned trading for RH OF Thomas from the As since they are so light at C.
Trades are the way for now

I can agree with the trade route and maybe Thomas can be a player.
I like Bolte a bit better but he was in Vegas last year so not really a ready
to go player.

Take caution with Sacramento numbers, at least check those home/road splits.

Could probably get Tyler for about what AZ is paying Arenado or less. That would
light the CT board up.

The play is to sign a guy. Or maybe a Noot or pages trade.

Bloom is trying to find a RHH to supplement the OF. Not start 150 games

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

[ecleme22]

I’m glad Bloom didn’t sign Andujar after trading away Donovan, but my goodness, he signed for 4 mil. That should really tell everyone on here something, if they weren’t even willing to spend that amount!

I get the cheapness, but no need to sign anyone at this point. I mentioned trading for RH OF Thomas from the As since they are so light at C.
Trades are the way for now

I can agree with the trade route and maybe Thomas can be a player.
I like Bolte a bit better but he was in Vegas last year so not really a ready
to go player.

Take caution with Sacramento numbers, at least check those home/road splits.

Could probably get Tyler for about what AZ is paying Arenado or less. That would
light the CT board up.

The play is to sign a guy. Or maybe a Noot or pages trade.

Bloom is trying to find a RHH to supplement the OF. Not start 150 games

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

[Ozziesfan41]

I’m glad Bloom didn’t sign Andujar after trading away Donovan, but my goodness, he signed for 4 mil. That should really tell everyone on here something, if they weren’t even willing to spend that amount!

I get the cheapness, but no need to sign anyone at this point. I mentioned trading for RH OF Thomas from the As since they are so light at C.
Trades are the way for now

I can agree with the trade route and maybe Thomas can be a player.
I like Bolte a bit better but he was in Vegas last year so not really a ready
to go player.

Take caution with Sacramento numbers, at least check those home/road splits.

Could probably get Tyler for about what AZ is paying Arenado or less. That would
light the CT board up.

The play is to sign a guy. Or maybe a Noot or pages trade.

Bloom is trying to find a RHH to supplement the OF. Not start 150 games

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

[riff raff]

Let youth be served. Tryouts beginning soon.
It serves no purpose to sign mediocre veterans. Remember the Brandon Crawford era?

[imyourhuckleberry]

Hopefully C. Bloom now shifts to seeking that RHHing OF via the trade route using JoJo + (Noot, maybe a catcher?).

Thats the route. Trade quality for a young RH hitting outfielder who fits in to the rebuild plan. Gotta be some team out there who covers their catching prospects.

100% this. Stick with the plan.

Some combination of JoJo, Noot, Gorman, Walker, ML catching depth, MiL catching depth, other MiL depth and tradable comp picks should be able to net a highly rated RH outfielder at or near major league ready.

If not, roll with what you have and try again later. No re-treads wanted or needed no matter how cheaply they come. Give those ABs to kids.

[ecleme22]

I get the cheapness, but no need to sign anyone at this point. I mentioned trading for RH OF Thomas from the As since they are so light at C.
Trades are the way for now

I can agree with the trade route and maybe Thomas can be a player.
I like Bolte a bit better but he was in Vegas last year so not really a ready
to go player.

Take caution with Sacramento numbers, at least check those home/road splits.

Could probably get Tyler for about what AZ is paying Arenado or less. That would
light the CT board up.

The play is to sign a guy. Or maybe a Noot or pages trade.

Bloom is trying to find a RHH to supplement the OF. Not start 150 games

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

[82birds]

Is Grichuk on our radar? Is that actually a thing?

I hope not

me too

[Ozziesfan41]

I can agree with the trade route and maybe Thomas can be a player.
I like Bolte a bit better but he was in Vegas last year so not really a ready
to go player.

Take caution with Sacramento numbers, at least check those home/road splits.

Could probably get Tyler for about what AZ is paying Arenado or less. That would
light the CT board up.

The play is to sign a guy. Or maybe a Noot or pages trade.

Bloom is trying to find a RHH to supplement the OF. Not start 150 games

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

I would just rather see the young players suck than washed up veterans suck.you prefer watching veterans suck I just disagree

[renostl]

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

The reality is that it's a debate over the 25th or 26th man on the roster.
That's difficult for it to become overly passionate about as a fan on the
outside.

Looking at it as cost or risk there zero to the club or the fan.

The cost comes in the minimal upside and purposefully decreasing the
opportunity and time of the player who doesn't get it. Cards have a few of these
guys nearing there last opportunity. Even Saggese, Fermin, or Herrera getting
outfield time is better than RG or TP.

The release of RG or TP wouldn't be immediate. Either would get MLB roster time
of at least a month but you can decide that likely timeline. It will be time though
that isn't given to another. Maybe even a late season call up of Baez.

I'd agree totally if this was 2004 Cards or 2025 Cubs.
Those players provided a safety net for contending teams. Even in that case with
an aging vet 2025 stats need to have the most weight. 2-3 years ago, stats giving boost
to their numbers need some caution.

I understand the position. I'm biased toward opportunities when the clock
is ticking loud for minimal to no upside. 100% guilty of that bias.

[ecleme22]

The play is to sign a guy. Or maybe a Noot or pages trade.

Bloom is trying to find a RHH to supplement the OF. Not start 150 games

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

I would just rather see the young players suck than washed up veterans suck.you prefer watching veterans suck I just disagree

It’s not an either/or.

We aren’t trading Church for Grichuk. Both would still be on the team.

[renostl]

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

I would just rather see the young players suck than washed up veterans suck.you prefer watching veterans suck I just disagree

It’s not an either/or.

We aren’t trading Church for Grichuk. Both would still be on the team.

They could coexist.
No guarantees that they would.
Rosters spots and opportunities are finite.

2 of 3 of RG last 3 seasons haven't been that good. IF they were
he'd be unavailable. IF .228/.273/.401 can't be reached then neither
players bring benefit.

[ecleme22]

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

I would just rather see the young players suck than washed up veterans suck.you prefer watching veterans suck I just disagree

It’s not an either/or.

We aren’t trading Church for Grichuk. Both would still be on the team.

They could coexist.
No guarantees that they would.
Rosters spots and opportunities are finite.

2 of 3 of RG last 3 seasons haven't been that good. IF they were
he'd be unavailable. IF .228/.273/.401 can't be reached then neither
players bring benefit.

He’s been pretty solid vs LHP

[Ozziesfan41]

I'm of the opinion that there isn’t much to sign.
If you have examples of some good examples of players that contradict that. I'm all ears.

Trades. Very difficult to predict.
I see no reason to limit the return as this season may
prove that none of the current group contains an answer. Do you expect all 3 of Walker, Scott, and Nootbaar to be the answer to the Cardinals outfield?

The answer to 2026?

This team, I think, will be better than expected. But we are not trying to get some 150 game thumper. Grichuk and/or Pham-type is probably the play.

Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

I would just rather see the young players suck than washed up veterans suck.you prefer watching veterans suck I just disagree

It’s not an either/or.

We aren’t trading Church for Grichuk. Both would still be on the team.

He would take the roster spot from someone someone younger. He sucked last season he was meh with the very hitter friendly dbacks park traded to KC where he completely sucked now suddenly that he’s another year older and going to a very hitter unfriendly park he’s going to experience a magical resurgence? I don’t think so. But you would rather watch a veteran player suck that’s cool

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Probably but it would be a bad play

Because why?

Because we should trade for a stud OFer in a rebuilding year?

I don’t love RG, but the dude has hit lefties, and he probably will be cheap and won’t expect a bunch of PT.

That’s kind of like exactly what we need right now…

lol he hit .227 .273 .703 against lefties last season that’s not exactly what they need. I don’t expect them to trade for a stud major league outfielder but they could trade for an outfield prospect who is near ready would be good. If it comes to old fading players like grichuk just go with valazquez. Because once there’s and injury it’s watch grichuk suck everyday no thanks

RG over the last 5 seasons or so has splits that heavily fave LHP.

Why trade for a stud AAA OFer right now? Why is that a big deal in 2026?

We just picked up 2 OFers in the Donovan trade and have a number of pitchers/players we can trade for another young OFer in the next year.

So why is RIGHT NOW the time to do it?

Maybe they sign RG and he plays more than expected because of injury. WHO CARES? It’s a rebuild. Play Church more. Whatever…

I would rather see valazquez or church or even Fermin over grichuk. Like you said it’s a rebuilding year if I’m going to watch players suck I would prefer it if it’s young players who at least have the potential to do better over an aging veteran who sucks. But hey if you want to see grichuk suck that’s cool I don’t

Me: “Pham may make sense.”

You: “oh my god, that’s horrible. He will play all the time!”

No, Grichuk or Pham will play here and there. More if they’re good, less if they’re bad and released if they are really bad.

Church and Fermin can still get playing time.

2025: Justin Turner didn’t screw up the cubs roster.
2004: Roger Cedeno didn’t screw up the cards roster.


Signing RG or TP is merely supplementing the OF.

It might not screw it up but I don’t think supplementing the OF with players that suck helps either. Just my opinion

1. Grichuk has a recent history of hitting LHP.
2. Grichuk had a bad 2025.
3. His bad 2025 will probably mean he can be signed for little this season. Hopefully an amount so small that releasing him would be no big deal.

If #3 is true, it’s literally no risk.

I would just rather see the young players suck than washed up veterans suck.you prefer watching veterans suck I just disagree

It’s not an either/or.

We aren’t trading Church for Grichuk. Both would still be on the team.

They could coexist.
No guarantees that they would.
Rosters spots and opportunities are finite.

2 of 3 of RG last 3 seasons haven't been that good. IF they were
he'd be unavailable. IF .228/.273/.401 can't be reached then neither
players bring benefit.

He’s been pretty solid vs LHP

He has.

Wonder IF he'd even want it. I know only myself and
I wouldn't ever go back unless no other option. I thought
he left with complaints of opportunities. Maybe not.

We see it differently. Little to no upgrade to the
team. That actually supports both positions. Give those opportunities
from within or actually trade for upside. Upside like what
got me in this discussion when "Jo Bu" mentioned Thomas from the A's
and I suggested Bolte.

Thomas has a bit more now in his game having some MLB in 2025.
The Cards could switch gears with either a little. He could be a better
Noot from the RH. Does CF in reserve.