thomas value has dropped per mtl fans

[Nublues69]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

[callitwhatyouwant]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

why do you spend any time listening to montreal fans? they are known to be some of the most insufferable fan bases in the league. Most of canada hates them, it's a near coinflip for Toronto and montreal. I'd argue when montreal is relevant, canada makes fun of their fans more so than any other team. The USA just jumps on the Toronto hate bandwagon because it's funny how their playoff exits have happened.

[the miracle]

if we're hating on other fanbases, here's one that made me actually lol from Boston fans:

To Seattle:
- Jimmy Snuggerud
- Mathew Poitras

To Boston:
- Robert Thomas
- STL's 4th round pick

To STL:
- BOS 2026 1st
- SEA 2026 2nd
- Shane Wright
- Mason Lohrei

[MandatoryDenial]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

Well I am glad they don't want him I was actually rather worried they were going to put together a package that our exiting general manager might favor that I didn't think was young or talented enough. So since they don't seem to think he is valuable anymore I will agree with them they don't have the chips to interest me in an offer. Win, win I should think. Maybe they would be interested in a Schenn or a Faulk. I hear we don't want as much and perhaps something more could be arranged.

[moose-and-squirrel]

if we're hating on other fanbases, here's one that made me actually lol from Boston fans:

To Seattle:
- Jimmy Snuggerud
- Mathew Poitras

To Boston:
- Robert Thomas
- STL's 4th round pick

To STL:
- BOS 2026 1st
- SEA 2026 2nd
- Shane Wright
- Mason Lohrei

lol

[zuck698]

if we're hating on other fanbases, here's one that made me actually lol from Boston fans:

To Seattle:
- Jimmy Snuggerud
- Mathew Poitras

To Boston:
- Robert Thomas
- STL's 4th round pick

To STL:
- BOS 2026 1st
- SEA 2026 2nd
- Shane Wright
- Mason Lohrei

I found a new way to spell "Pathetic" this morning! As Charles Barkley says "turrible".

[Nublues69]

if we're hating on other fanbases, here's one that made me actually lol from Boston fans:

To Seattle:
- Jimmy Snuggerud
- Mathew Poitras

To Boston:
- Robert Thomas
- STL's 4th round pick

To STL:
- BOS 2026 1st
- SEA 2026 2nd
- Shane Wright
- Mason Lohrei

oh go that is ducking aweful

[BleedingBleu]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

What a bunch of dumb[ash]. Unlike NYR, we don’t need to trade Thomas

[ManitobaBlues]

Thomas is the last player that should be traded — and if it ever happens, it better be a franchise-altering move. I’m talking a true hockey trade, not picks and prospects. You don’t move a player like that unless you’re getting a cornerstone back.

If anyone should go first, it’s Buchnevich. That’s going to be Steen’s biggest challenge, because that contract is brutal to move. Good player, but the term and money are going to scare teams off unless the Blues eat salary or attach sweeteners.

[moose-and-squirrel]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

why do you spend any time listening to montreal fans? they are known to be some of the most insufferable fan bases in the league. Most of canada hates them, it's a near coinflip for Toronto and montreal. I'd argue when montreal is relevant, canada makes fun of their fans more so than any other team. The USA just jumps on the Toronto hate bandwagon because it's funny how their playoff exits have happened.

you mean the same fanbase that said STL was stupid not to give them Thomas +++ for Price? lol

[aslord]

Thomas is the last player that should be traded — and if it ever happens, it better be a franchise-altering move. I’m talking a true hockey trade, not picks and prospects. You don’t move a player like that unless you’re getting a cornerstone back.

If anyone should go first, it’s Buchnevich. That’s going to be Steen’s biggest challenge, because that contract is brutal to move. Good player, but the term and money are going to scare teams off unless the Blues eat salary or attach sweeteners.

If he's a good player, why move him?

[TruBlueFan_1970]

Thomas is the last player that should be traded — and if it ever happens, it better be a franchise-altering move. I’m talking a true hockey trade, not picks and prospects. You don’t move a player like that unless you’re getting a cornerstone back.

If anyone should go first, it’s Buchnevich. That’s going to be Steen’s biggest challenge, because that contract is brutal to move. Good player, but the term and money are going to scare teams off unless the Blues eat salary or attach sweeteners.

If he's a good player, why move him?

I think he said it...that contract is brutal. I've been clear that I think he's a declining player. Is he still good...depends on interpretation, and I'm not going to argue that at length with everyone again. The contract though is an albatross and always was going to be one, as Army overpaid in both $$$ and term.

Facts: Buch was above a point per game producer his first two years with the Blues. Since then he has dropped in the last three seasons to 0.78, 0.75, and currently trending to 0.59 this season. That is a better gauge than point totals, as it accounts for games played/injuries. Points alone he's gone from a high of 76 to 67 to 63, to 57, to currently 39, but on pace for somewhere around 48-52 depending on his finish this season. Ok stats, but not for the price of his contract.

Here's the sticking point with that contract....real dollars.
Contract: He's earning $8.0 million this year, $6.0 million next year, then $10m, $11m, $8m, and finally $5m. He has full NTC until that last two years which moves to M-NTC. Those middle 3 years are absolutely atrocious for real money a team has to spend to acquire what will continue to be a player in decline who does nothing spectacular but is rather a middle six center/winger. That makes it "brutal to move" as Manitoba put it.

So we are basically stuck with declining player in the 1st year of a 6-year deal that pays him a LOT of real $$, while his production goes down. Maybe he rebounds. Some are betting on that. I'm not. Steen didn't. Schenn isn't. Many other examples in the league didn't. Whether somebody thinks he's good or not is irrelevant. He isn't worth that deal and the league knows it.

[Frank Underwood]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

Let’s remember that Canadiens fans declared the Bolduc/Mailloux trade the “steal of the century” after 4 games. Smelly slurped up that internet vomit and posted it all over Blues Talk. Habs fans are morons.

[Army's Mom]

Thomas is the last player that should be traded — and if it ever happens, it better be a franchise-altering move. I’m talking a true hockey trade, not picks and prospects. You don’t move a player like that unless you’re getting a cornerstone back.

If anyone should go first, it’s Buchnevich. That’s going to be Steen’s biggest challenge, because that contract is brutal to move. Good player, but the term and money are going to scare teams off unless the Blues eat salary or attach sweeteners.

If he's a good player, why move him?

I think he said it...that contract is brutal. I've been clear that I think he's a declining player. Is he still good...depends on interpretation, and I'm not going to argue that at length with everyone again. The contract though is an albatross and always was going to be one, as Army overpaid in both $$$ and term.

Facts: Buch was above a point per game producer his first two years with the Blues. Since then he has dropped in the last three seasons to 0.78, 0.75, and currently trending to 0.59 this season. That is a better gauge than point totals, as it accounts for games played/injuries. Points alone he's gone from a high of 76 to 67 to 63, to 57, to currently 39, but on pace for somewhere around 48-52 depending on his finish this season. Ok stats, but not for the price of his contract.

Here's the sticking point with that contract....real dollars.
Contract: He's earning $8.0 million this year, $6.0 million next year, then $10m, $11m, $8m, and finally $5m. He has full NTC until that last two years which moves to M-NTC. Those middle 3 years are absolutely atrocious for real money a team has to spend to acquire what will continue to be a player in decline who does nothing spectacular but is rather a middle six center/winger. That makes it "brutal to move" as Manitoba put it.

So we are basically stuck with declining player in the 1st year of a 6-year deal that pays him a LOT of real $$, while his production goes down. Maybe he rebounds. Some are betting on that. I'm not. Steen didn't. Schenn isn't. Many other examples in the league didn't. Whether somebody thinks he's good or not is irrelevant. He isn't worth that deal and the league knows it.

The contract is brutal, but by the time the Blues will actually need that cap space (2 yes? 3?) it'll be much easier to move.

They moved Lehtera while upgrading to Schenn, after all.

[TruBlueFan_1970]

Thomas is the last player that should be traded — and if it ever happens, it better be a franchise-altering move. I’m talking a true hockey trade, not picks and prospects. You don’t move a player like that unless you’re getting a cornerstone back.

If anyone should go first, it’s Buchnevich. That’s going to be Steen’s biggest challenge, because that contract is brutal to move. Good player, but the term and money are going to scare teams off unless the Blues eat salary or attach sweeteners.

If he's a good player, why move him?

I think he said it...that contract is brutal. I've been clear that I think he's a declining player. Is he still good...depends on interpretation, and I'm not going to argue that at length with everyone again. The contract though is an albatross and always was going to be one, as Army overpaid in both $$$ and term.

Facts: Buch was above a point per game producer his first two years with the Blues. Since then he has dropped in the last three seasons to 0.78, 0.75, and currently trending to 0.59 this season. That is a better gauge than point totals, as it accounts for games played/injuries. Points alone he's gone from a high of 76 to 67 to 63, to 57, to currently 39, but on pace for somewhere around 48-52 depending on his finish this season. Ok stats, but not for the price of his contract.

Here's the sticking point with that contract....real dollars.
Contract: He's earning $8.0 million this year, $6.0 million next year, then $10m, $11m, $8m, and finally $5m. He has full NTC until that last two years which moves to M-NTC. Those middle 3 years are absolutely atrocious for real money a team has to spend to acquire what will continue to be a player in decline who does nothing spectacular but is rather a middle six center/winger. That makes it "brutal to move" as Manitoba put it.

So we are basically stuck with declining player in the 1st year of a 6-year deal that pays him a LOT of real $$, while his production goes down. Maybe he rebounds. Some are betting on that. I'm not. Steen didn't. Schenn isn't. Many other examples in the league didn't. Whether somebody thinks he's good or not is irrelevant. He isn't worth that deal and the league knows it.

The contract is brutal, but by the time the Blues will actually need that cap space (2 yes? 3?) it'll be much easier to move.

They moved Lehtera while upgrading to Schenn, after all.

They paid a price to move Lehtera....not the greatest example. And yes, any contract can be moved when you give up valuable assets to do so. Kevin Hayes comes to mind for recency bias. Simply waiving him and having someone take him on would be the way to go so you don't have to pay to send him somewhere, whether now or in the future.

And sorry for getting so OT in a Thomas thread. I'll shut up and move on now.

[Nublues69]

LOL Read a bunch of things last night about how thomas is worth less due to panarins return.. lol the worst return beck and a 2nd...lol

why do you spend any time listening to montreal fans? they are known to be some of the most insufferable fan bases in the league. Most of canada hates them, it's a near coinflip for Toronto and montreal. I'd argue when montreal is relevant, canada makes fun of their fans more so than any other team. The USA just jumps on the Toronto hate bandwagon because it's funny how their playoff exits have happened.

you mean the same fanbase that said STL was stupid not to give them Thomas +++ for Price? lol

Dont forget thomas plus for patches