Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:59 pm
I’m not sure whats wrong with some of you…..you rationalize a trade of an established 28yr old All-star ML player by what round he was drafted?
Sure let’s do that…..how about this fella….13th round(402nd pick)…..
What’s this guy worth?? A couple balls, and a rosin bag?
Do some of you fans have no clue what you should be cheering, hoping, rooting for in a player or MLB organization?
You’ve been brainwashed by some BTV/analytics site……..I’d say its comical but deranged is probably a better word
Fir me, I dont rationalize, or give a hoot when a player was drafted, but come on. Its not like they traded George Brett. If anything, they traded Tommy Herr. The more young prospects you work to develop, the more chance you have to get some quality ball players, and typically, the higher rated the player, the better chance you have to succeed with that player.
I love the youth movement this team is taking its actually a breath of fresh air after watching the team seemingly and emotionless, go through the motions the past 2 years.
Jatalk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:45 pm
What difference does it make where he was drafted. Odds are none of these guys ( or picks) help win a championship
Donovan definitely wasn’t going to help them win a championship. And hasn’t helped them win anything
Let’s see if he helps Seattle.
Well he is a complimentary player he doesn’t have to be the guy there because he’s not the guy. He’s just a complimentary player. But it’s laughable
People thought cards could build a world championship team around Donovan
I didn’t think they could build around him but he can be a key part of a good team. I understand the trade but for a lot of reasons disappointed in the return primarily because we have not addressed the of and offense. Please don’t tell me to 20 year old does that.
We don’t have a good team.
Thats actually the thing about the youth movement this team is taking. We dont KNOW if they'll be good, or bad.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
The Cardinals traded a player that was a starter. He will be a starter where he is going
and be one on most teams. He was inexpensive and has 2 seasons of control.
IMO they need to get one of these guys to bring similar production to the MLB team
before being able to judge the return as not bad. 2 and it's a win.
If Cinjntje becomes the best return and is a RP how can we call that not bad?
The draft picks could become the best part of the return. I don't want that to happen.
Jatalk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:45 pm
What difference does it make where he was drafted. Odds are none of these guys ( or picks) help win a championship
Donovan definitely wasn’t going to help them win a championship. And hasn’t helped them win anything
Let’s see if he helps Seattle.
Well he is a complimentary player he doesn’t have to be the guy there because he’s not the guy. He’s just a complimentary player. But it’s laughable
People thought cards could build a world championship team around Donovan
I didn’t think they could build around him but he can be a key part of a good team. I understand the trade but for a lot of reasons disappointed in the return primarily because we have not addressed the of and offense. Please don’t tell me to 20 year old does that.
We don’t have a good team.
Thats actually the thing about the youth movement this team is taking. We dont KNOW if they'll be good, or bad.
But we do know we did have a bad team with Donovan leading the charge
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
I get what you mean by this, but not all 7th round picks are created equal. Some guys punch above their weight (Donovan) and some way below (Gorman/Walker)
Donovan was no longer a prospect drafted in the 7th round…he was a proven big league performer with a gold glove and recent all-star appearance. That is more valuable than even some 1st round draft picks.
As far as the return, it’s hard to judge because it always takes a few years to find out, but that’s exactly why many are disappointed…they wanted a more sure thing this time that could help sooner because that’s what Donovan offered.
Bloom said he would only trade him if he was “blown away” by an offer. Hard to see 2 or so points in BTV qualifying as such.
Other than being a novelty switch pitcher, he's nothing special with either arm. The other 2 players haven't even shown they can hit so far, and they're lefty bats, not exactly a need of ours. Already have basically the same in Koperniak & Chase Davis. I'm not excited about the return, but will wait and see how the comp B picks turn out.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
I get what you mean by this, but not all 7th round picks are created equal. Some guys punch above their weight (Donovan) and some way below (Gorman/Walker)
Donovan was no longer a prospect drafted in the 7th round…he was a proven big league performer with a gold glove and recent all-star appearance. That is more valuable than even some 1st round draft picks.
As far as the return, it’s hard to judge because it always takes a few years to find out, but that’s exactly why many are disappointed…they wanted a more sure thing this time that could help sooner because that’s what Donovan offered.
Bloom said he would only trade him if he was “blown away” by an offer. Hard to see 2 or so points in BTV qualifying as such.
That is sort of my view, I am not blown away. I did not want the Cards to do a quality for quantity trade. This is in between that. They got a SP prospect who is now the second highest pitching prospect in our organization and likely ready sometime in mid 2027. I would like to think the Cards now have a large enough complement of SP prospects, including 3 high end ones, Doyle, Cinjtje and Clark that the Cards can obtain at least 1 #1/2 from that group. Then between the remaining SPs already at the ML level and in the system, they should be able to fill out 3-5 in the rotation for the next 6-8 years. I am hoping with having 6 draft picks this year in the top 86 that they focus on hitting. Unfortunately, the hitting will be years away.
At the end of the day, Bloom is getting a high upside OF who is likely to fail for Donovan, but he might turn it around. An OF from Tampa who does nothing for me, but has some tools. Not likely to make it. I think he took the deal because of the picks. The Cards not only receiving the picks, they also received the slot money. That slot money may be the most important thing out of this trade. It means they should have enough money to draft anyone they want and not have to worry about signing issues. They have plenty of bonus money. That should allow their first three picks which are at 13, 32 and 50 to target the very highest prospects available and should have no trouble signing any of them.
We will see. I would have loved Arroyo back in the trade, but that appears to have never been a possibility.
LewisL wrote: ↑03 Feb 2026 00:55 am
Other than being a novelty switch pitcher, he's nothing special with either arm. The other 2 players haven't even shown they can hit so far, and they're lefty bats, not exactly a need of ours. Already have basically the same in Koperniak & Chase Davis. I'm not excited about the return, but will wait and see how the comp B picks turn out.
So the 98 MPH fastball is nothing special? We have a very talent who has control issues. Probably needs 2 more years to develop, then we will see.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
The Cardinals traded a player that was a starter. He will be a starter where he is going
and be one on most teams. He was inexpensive and has 2 seasons of control.
IMO they need to get one of these guys to bring similar production to the MLB team
before being able to judge the return as not bad. 2 and it's a win.
If Cinjntje becomes the best return and is a RP how can we call that not bad?
The draft picks could become the best part of the return. I don't want that to happen.
Donovan was a star on a terrible team. He will be a starter on a team that has stars around it. Donovan is not a leader or a star. He’s just a guy.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
I get what you mean by this, but not all 7th round picks are created equal. Some guys punch above their weight (Donovan) and some way below (Gorman/Walker)
Donovan was no longer a prospect drafted in the 7th round…he was a proven big league performer with a gold glove and recent all-star appearance. That is more valuable than even some 1st round draft picks.
As far as the return, it’s hard to judge because it always takes a few years to find out, but that’s exactly why many are disappointed…they wanted a more sure thing this time that could help sooner because that’s what Donovan offered.
Bloom said he would only trade him if he was “blown away” by an offer. Hard to see 2 or so points in BTV qualifying as such.
That is sort of my view, I am not blown away. I did not want the Cards to do a quality for quantity trade. This is in between that. They got a SP prospect who is now the second highest pitching prospect in our organization and likely ready sometime in mid 2027. I would like to think the Cards now have a large enough complement of SP prospects, including 3 high end ones, Doyle, Cinjtje and Clark that the Cards can obtain at least 1 #1/2 from that group. Then between the remaining SPs already at the ML level and in the system, they should be able to fill out 3-5 in the rotation for the next 6-8 years. I am hoping with having 6 draft picks this year in the top 86 that they focus on hitting. Unfortunately, the hitting will be years away.
At the end of the day, Bloom is getting a high upside OF who is likely to fail for Donovan, but he might turn it around. An OF from Tampa who does nothing for me, but has some tools. Not likely to make it. I think he took the deal because of the picks. The Cards not only receiving the picks, they also received the slot money. That slot money may be the most important thing out of this trade. It means they should have enough money to draft anyone they want and not have to worry about signing issues. They have plenty of bonus money. That should allow their first three picks which are at 13, 32 and 50 to target the very highest prospects available and should have no trouble signing any of them.
We will see. I would have loved Arroyo back in the trade, but that appears to have never been a possibility.
I probably like the trade a little better , but not a lot. Certainly not " blown away ". But it's fair, and like many the draft picks keep it from being blah. And like all trades for prospects and draft choices, the receiving team has to wait for their end to help @ the major league level. You made a good point about the slot money. That isnt nothing.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
The Cardinals traded a player that was a starter. He will be a starter where he is going
and be one on most teams. He was inexpensive and has 2 seasons of control.
IMO they need to get one of these guys to bring similar production to the MLB team
before being able to judge the return as not bad. 2 and it's a win.
If Cinjntje becomes the best return and is a RP how can we call that not bad?
The draft picks could become the best part of the return. I don't want that to happen.
Donovan was a star on a terrible team. He will be a starter on a team that has stars around it. Donovan is not a leader or a star. He’s just a guy.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
The Cardinals traded a player that was a starter. He will be a starter where he is going
and be one on most teams. He was inexpensive and has 2 seasons of control.
IMO they need to get one of these guys to bring similar production to the MLB team
before being able to judge the return as not bad. 2 and it's a win.
If Cinjntje becomes the best return and is a RP how can we call that not bad?
The draft picks could become the best part of the return. I don't want that to happen.
Donovan was a star on a terrible team. He will be a starter on a team that has stars around it. Donovan is not a leader or a star. He’s just a guy.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:09 pm
A Top 100 prospect (a former #1st), another 1st round pick (Peete) a former 2nd rounder (Ledbetter) and the 68th and 72nd picks for a guy who was originally a 7th Round pick? That’s not too shabby. It wasn’t like they were trading Juan Soto.
The Cardinals traded a player that was a starter. He will be a starter where he is going
and be one on most teams. He was inexpensive and has 2 seasons of control.
IMO they need to get one of these guys to bring similar production to the MLB team
before being able to judge the return as not bad. 2 and it's a win.
If Cinjntje becomes the best return and is a RP how can we call that not bad?
The draft picks could become the best part of the return. I don't want that to happen.
Donovan was a star on a terrible team. He will be a starter on a team that has stars around it. Donovan is not a leader or a star. He’s just a guy.
Starter
You know nothing about his leadership abilities.
And neither do you.
But I never brought it up.
You claimed you did when you claimed he wasn't a leader or a star.
Neither word was in my post.
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:59 pm
I’m not sure whats wrong with some of you…..you rationalize a trade of an established 28yr old All-star ML player by what round he was drafted?
Sure let’s do that…..how about this fella….13th round(402nd pick)…..
What’s this guy worth?? A couple balls, and a rosin bag?
Do some of you fans have no clue what you should be cheering, hoping, rooting for in a player or MLB organization?
You’ve been brainwashed by some BTV/analytics site……..I’d say its comical but deranged is probably a better word
